Hello intrigeri! On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 12:51:53PM +0100, intrigeri wrote: > Hi Andreas, > > Agreed. I think we should ship the cronjob by default in Jessie. > Andreas, what do you think?
What I've seen so far is people suggesting to use a cron job /instead of/ the systemd units shipped by upstream. That is in my opinion pretty short-sighted. I see a cron job as a complement that caters to the niche which does not use the default init in Jessie. Saying that people who don't install cron don't get their SSDs trimmed is just stupid. Speciall since installing cron also pulls in a full MTA. Why would anyone want to connect having an MTA installed to having their SSD trimmed?! Atleast I'm not going to install that on a number of my systems. (Please keep in mind that it's not uncommon even for embedded system to ship with SATA or mSATA today and those are being used with SSD drives.) I've spent way to much time catering to niches that random people think are important but where they don't want to do the work themselves. I'm not going to do that anymore, unless people agree to paying my regular fee for buying hours of my life which is the way I'm making a living...... (fwiw, I'm also still pondering if I still want to be involved with Debian at all.) If someone wants to do the work it would be good if they could think about the consequenses themselves, but here are some pro bono advice: There will likely be a number of people having both systemd and cron installed on their systems. Whoever does the work on the cron side will probably want to make sure that these people don't end up with double trimming. Also see: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/utils/util-linux/util-linux.git/tree/Documentation/howto-contribute.txt I really don't understand why we're having this discussion now at all. Where where everyone before the freeze? Where where the advice when I asked for it and had to fight my way forward to get my changes into Debian. Right now I'm really regretting even getting involved with util-linux in Debian. I should have just kept on doing my own thing and never mentioned it to anyone. I've spent a huge amount of time cleaning up the mess left by others and catered to all kinds of niches that didn't want to do their work themselves (most time occupied by kfreebsd). This left me with alot of people thinking because I did that now I somehow owe them even more time and work which they can dictate how I should do. I guess I'm drifting way off topic here.... trying to focus again. If you don't want to pay me to do the work, then get pre-approval from the release team for your suggested changes - then, and not before then, feel free to talk to me about it. I'm not interested before that. Things that will interest people who actually want to work on a solution for keeping automatic trimming: 1/ #757891 see also: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/11/msg00216.html 2/ #767429 3/ optionally create a proper cron-job. 4/ get r-t pre-approval. Right now I see a number of flawed suggestions floating around. It's probably less interesting that I can't really approve of any of them, then that it will probably be hard to get any of it past the release team now. My suggestion is thus still that I'm not seeing the above points not getting fixed I think the safest way is to just back out all trimming jobs and make another attempt after the ice-age has passed. (If 1 and 2 gets fixed in Jessie, then I'll close my pre-approval request to drop the units from the current util-linux package. If someone can also get 3 and 4 done, then good for the people who benefit from that!) HTH. Regards, Andreas Henriksson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
