On Thu, 2014-09-25 at 10:59 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > Yes. gdm's current user interface is just GNOME Shell running in a > special mode: the fallback non-Shell greeter (which was used by default > in Debian 7) was removed between 3.8 and 3.10. I suspect this should be > closed as "not a bug", but for now I'm just tagging it wontfix. > > For non-GNOME environments, you might be better off with lightdm.
Well one should probably leave it open and forward it upstream, since this is quite clearly a design-error then. Either you have the concept of a display manager, which should be then pretty agnostic towards the desktop environment used... and especially it shouldn't be what it is just expected to start. Or you don't have a DM and (in the case of GNOME) there should be just gnomeshell. Cheers, Chris. btw: I also worry about about popcon numbers. I mean these are not rarely used to "prove"/advertise someone's point or to "assist" decide things in our countless discussions, be it about systemd[0] or about the default desktop environment. Now most people use gdm (IIRC comes even per default), so for that reason nearly everyone will have gnomeshell installed, which in turn can be used as (wrong) arguments in aforementioned discussion. [0] I'm in favour of it, just miss some important things :(
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