On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Josh Triplett <j...@joshtriplett.org> wrote: > I'm pulling a quote from the bottom of Steve's mail to the top, to call > attention to a new and critical point that I didn't see raised anywhere > in the debian-devel discussion: > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:23:18 -0700 Steve Langasek <vor...@debian.org> wrote: >> If we decide that init *should* be automatically changed on upgrade, then > > (Which I'm assuming from your footnote [1] that you *are* in favor of?) > >> the ordering of the dependencies on libpam-systemd is immaterial except in >> the specific case that someone has upgraded to (or newly installed) jessie, >> selected an init system other than the default, and subsequently installed a >> desktop environment on a system that didn't initially have one. In this >> case, installing the DE *definitely* should not override the user's >> explicit selection of init system. > > *This* is a point that I haven't seen raised in the entire previous > discussion on debian-devel, and I think it's a completely valid point. > > Personally, in this case, I'd argue that the desirable dependency (which > we can't easily express) would be "sysvinit-core ? systemd-shim : > systemd-sysv".
To be more precise, it would be "!systemd-sysv ? systemd-shim : systemd-sysv" so that other alternate inits are treated equally. As you hopefully can see, this can be condensed to "systemd-sysv ? systemd-sysv : systemd-shim" AKA "systemd-shim | systemd-sysv" :) One question: if `init` and `libpam-systemd` (with the inversed dependency) are installed simultaneously on a system with only sysvinit installed (i.e. Wheezy), apt would know that systemd-sysv is going to be installed (to satisfy init package's dependency) and would not install systemd-shim, correct? Although, according to Steve that would be simply an aesthetic issue, as systemd-shim does not impede operation of systemd as init. Best regards, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
