OK - no input on this thread but after a couple of days of intermittent
searching and fiddling we got there - we shouldn't have had to but there
we go.
Problems shown above with gdm3 and lightdm were actually fixed with 2 or
3 more switches between gdm3 and lightdm with reboots - that was all it
needed but why 1 didn't do it I know not!!
I am now running gdm3
The shutdown issue has been discussed for YEARS and I tried one of the
solutions:-
Install systemd and systemd-sysvcompat (on my system systemd was already
there but that wasn't enough)
During grub boot - select the system you want to boot up
Press "e" to edit the startup details
Add init=/bin/systemd to the GRUB DEFAULT line
Bingo - until someone breaks that
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