Dear all,

I will try to give my two cents, although I'm not an a11y expert :-)

2013/2/10 Peter Drysdale <drysdalep...@gmail.com>

> Dear Maintainer/Uploaders of festival and Users of festival-docs,
>
> To clarify the situation. festival-doc currently contains a html and ps
> (Postscript) version of
> the "Festival Manual". The version number is 1.4.2 and dates from 25th
> July 2001.
>
> CMU (the current employer of Prof. Alan Black - one of the original
> authors of festival)
> has an online version of the manual version number 1.4.3 and dated 27th
> December 2002.
>
>  CSTR at University of Edinburgh - (the University where festival was
> originally written) has an
> online version of the manual version number 1.4.0 and dated 17th July 1999.
>
> No later copies of the main content of "Festival Manual" appear to have
> been published.
>
> The current Debian festival (not festival-docs) package ships a copy of
> "Festival Manual"
> as part of the festival deb file. It is labelled 1.4.3. It like all the
> others is old.
> It is superior to the CMU online version in one respect the festival
> Scheme interpreter
> function list  at the end of this manual is dynamically regenerated from
> the source
> code each time we build the festival package. Thus is reflects the
> "function comment lines"
> of the current Debian version of festival.
>

Even though the Festival documentation may be old it is still quite
accurate, as Festival has not changed much in the past 10 years :-)


>
> Please note the copy of "Festival manual" we ship with the festival deb is
> in "info" format
> and may be accessed using "info festival" command.
>
> I didn't really care which format I use hence my suggestion that we drop
> festival-doc. BUT...
>
> The format may be important from an a11y perspective for our users !
>
> Based your combined knowledge a11y issues could everyone give an opinion
> on "info"
> vs "html" vs "ps". Please everyone give your opinion on this.
>

I would say that HTML is better than PS for accessibility. For instance, I
am not able to select text using evince from the festival manual included
in the festival-doc package. Maybe modern PS or modern PDF formats such as
[PDF/UA](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/UA) are good for accessibility
purposes, but I have seen many more a11y-ready web pages than a11y-ready
PDF files.

Regarding the info format... I don't know much about its a11y... :-S


>
> Should we just choose one of those formats not necessarily the current
> "info" format
> for bundling with festival deb and drop festival-doc or are the additional
> formats important?
>
> I strongly suggest from now on we build whatever manuals regenerated from
> the actual
> festival source code in our current deb. This suggests festival-doc even
> if it is decided
> to continue to exist should be a binary package built from the common
> festival source package,
> i.e. from the debian/control and debian/rules files of the festival source
> package.
>
I agree. The festival-doc source package should be removed and the
festival-doc and speech-tools-doc binary packages should be built from
festival and speech-tools sources respectively.

>
> Based on this I think it would be appropriate for JP as maintainer of
> festival to issue a
> Debian ITA over the orphaned packages while we decide the formats and then
> choose
> whether we ship a binary festival-doc package built from festival source
> package or only ship the one format
> (as best serves the need of a11y users) inside the festival binary package.
>
>  I look forward to hearing your experiences on formats from a a11y
> perspective. Comments?
>
> I hope you agree that we should regenerate any shipped version of
> "Festival manual" (even
> though the bulk text is old) from our source code as we do for the current
> "info" format (which
> may change based on your input). Comments?
>
I agree completely.

>
> I have not pursued the speech-tools angle yet, but as a precaution I think
> JP should Debian ITA in
> his capacity as maintainer of speech-tools while we figure out how to
> integrate its building out
> of the common source or drop etc...
>
> with very best regards,
> Peter
>
> Best regards,

Sergio

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