Neil Williams dixit:

>How is it helpful if you *and only you* know what is going on?

It’s better when the responsible person and noone else knows
what’s going on than when the responsible person doesn’t know
what’s going on.

>> bug in fakeroot precisely *because* the pax just built is used
>> to create its own package. Nothing circular in there.
>
>The pax just built is going to be for the wrong architecture. I don't
>see any attempt to build for DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE and then rebuild with

It uses dpkg-deb in the cross case. Hence, the chown.

>something fixed in pax. That's why we have NMU's - your package is IMHO
>not NMU-able because the build system is insane. That's why, if I had

When you work on the code (opposed to the packaging), all you have
to do is drop in a quilt patch or more, run dch --nmu, dpkg-buildpackage
and you’re set. That’s Debian standard.

>to work on something in pax whilst you weren't around for whatever
>reason, my only option would be to RM. It's better that I declare that

That is absolutely, utterly ridiculous. Really.

Will you RM all packages using, say (again, Manoj, if you read this,
nothing against you, just using it as an example) Manoj’s buildsystem?
Or dbs? If not, why not?

>Just what is wrong with old-style debhelper like:

Not much, other than the time a cowbuilder actually spends building
the code, versus the time spent installing the B-D and doing several
debhelper operations which – on m68k, this is *very* noticeable – run
the same code over and over with each invocation (dh7 doesn’t even
improve this *despite* calling only one dh binary, asides from it
calling… dh_installgintrospection or something like that, and similar…
funny stuff).

And that’s what I’ll be uploading to experimental later. Despite
that, I state here, for the record, that I believe I am entitled
to do this.

Oh, another thing that’s “wrong” with it: I wanted to build mksh on
architectures where debhelper – or anything Perl, for that matter –
is not installable, in order to test my fixes to dietlibc and klibc
on them. Yes, these are Debian-Ports architectures which I guess you,
in the best case, don’t care about, and in the worst case, to cite
another RT member, don’t want to see any “more Debian-Ports spam”.
But I care about my core, beyond what’s in a released Debian at any
given point. (Hell, I even deal with Launchpad, *buntu user bugreports,
file sync and merge requests, and all that.)

Maybe this sheds some light on my motivation. (Besides that, I still
build current mksh as packaged, with minimal patches, for systems as
old as sarge and dapper, though etch and hardy are the oldest respective
ones really in use at the moment.)

bye,
//mirabilos
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