Thanks for clarification for Ubuntu situation. But I am not so convinced on your comment on symbols. I have read man dpkg-gensymbol in detail :-) See below ....
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:53:50PM -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On 10 November 2012 11:57, Osamu Aoki <os...@debian.org> wrote: > > Movimg old symbols of different SONAME here may not be right solution. > > (I am new to this symbols thing so please tell me if I am wrong.) > > > > I thought debian/libibus-1.0-5.symbols should be more like attached. > > (I think to fix http://bugs.debian.org/690287 , the first line of this > > file will become libibus-1.0-5 instead of libibus-1.0-0. Then the rest > > of the lines will be bumped, too.) > > > > No package compiled to use SONAME libibus-1.0.so.5 had version like > > 1.2.99.20100202 nor 1.4.1. So having such low version seems strange to > > me. > > No, the point of the .symbols file is that packages that only use > symbols introduced in an older version like 1.2.99 won't need to > depend on the latest ibus (1.4.99). If you bump the version of all the I thought so when I started but ... > symbols then you don't really get any benefits from having .symbols. > You can read man dpkg-gensymbols for more information. I am not just reading it very thoroughly but also experimenting it :-) The experiment result was different from my initial thought and your comment. Please note -O option is documented as: | -Ofilename | Store the generated symbols file as filename. If filename is | pre-existing, its content is used as basis for the generated | symbols file. You can use this feature to update a symbols file | so that it matches a newer upstream version of your library. I think we should use this to update symbols to see what happens. I actually run trough all binary library packages in snapshot for ibus using the following script and got the symbols reported (updated one attached for this new script run through -3 package). When the library major version or library package name change to create new SONAME, you see the whole min-version data get updated as the result of this script. --------------------------- #!/bin/sh get_symbols() { # $1 libibus2 or libibus-1.0-0 # $2 ver # $3 rev dpkg-deb -x $1_$2-$3_amd64.deb pkg$2-$3 dpkg-gensymbols -v$2 -p$1 -Ppkg$2-$3 -Osymbols cp symbols symbols.$2-$3 } get_symbols libibus2 1.2.99.20100202 1 get_symbols libibus2 1.3.0 1 get_symbols libibus2 1.3.1 1 get_symbols libibus2 1.3.1 2 get_symbols libibus2 1.3.2 1 get_symbols libibus2 1.3.3 1 get_symbols libibus2 1.3.4 1 get_symbols libibus2 1.3.5 1 get_symbols libibus2 1.3.6 1 get_symbols libibus2 1.3.7 1 get_symbols libibus2 1.3.8 1 get_symbols libibus2 1.3.9 1 get_symbols libibus2 1.3.9 2 get_symbols libibus-1.0-0 1.3.99.20110419 1 get_symbols libibus-1.0-0 1.3.99.20110817 1 get_symbols libibus-1.0-0 1.4.0 1 get_symbols libibus-1.0-0 1.4.0 2 get_symbols libibus-1.0-0 1.4.0 3 get_symbols libibus-1.0-0 1.4.0 4 get_symbols libibus-1.0-0 1.4.1 1 get_symbols libibus-1.0-0 1.4.1 2 get_symbols libibus-1.0-0 1.4.1 3 get_symbols libibus-1.0-0 1.4.1 4 get_symbols libibus-1.0-0 1.4.1 5 get_symbols libibus-1.0-0 1.4.1 6 get_symbols libibus-1.0-0 1.4.1 7 get_symbols libibus-1.0-0 1.4.1 8 get_symbols libibus-1.0-0 1.4.99.20120917 1 get_symbols libibus-1.0-5 1.4.99.20120917 2 get_symbols libibus-1.0-5 1.4.99.20120917 3 ----------------------------- As I observed, symbols file is targeted for some small transition with the same library and SONAME with non-ABI compatible changes. This makes more sense if we think about how this is used. The change between 1.3.99 to 1.4.1 had such changes. I do not see anywhere in dpkg-gensymbols manual page to suggest manual change to SONAME or library name at the start of symbols file as we update library. Of course any small value makes no serious difference for the result since we will never see any package compiled with SONAME with such old version anyway. But, if SONAME or library name is bumped, keeping old version does not make sense. > > PS: I think packaging these 1.4.99 version for Debian next release is > > fine since RH will release next stable 1.5 version before Debian next > > release. But I wonder if it is good idea or not for Ubuntu since you > > are looking for shorter time before release. The pre-release ibus > > family packages from FEDORA are not as complete and stable as 1.4 > > series. Some configuration items are missing etc. This was the source > > of my reluctance to package these at this moment. I thought we should > > be selective about what we package and is better for Ubuntu. > > GNOME 3.6 (which was released in September) only supports ibus I kind of knew this ... this was another reason of reluctance. > 1.4.99+; therefore we must make the transition at the start of the > Ubuntu 13.04 development cycle. Ubuntu developers like Seb Bacher > expressed that requiring the latest ibus and gstreamer-1.0 were two > risky moves but GNOME didn't want to wait until after those packages > had made stable releases. This is the root cause for > http://pad.lv/1045914 . Also GNOME 3.6 is already partly in Debian > experimental. Let's hope situation get better as we approach GNOME 3.8 expected around March/2013 just before Ubuntu 13.04 :-) (I thought Ubuntu only followed testing for non-core packages. Maybe my understanding is getting old since I see Ubuntu getting more active in Debian for pushing their change. In general, I think it is good trend.) > Would it help if I attached an updated patch? Yes eventually. Osamu
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