On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 02:32:07AM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 10:24:30AM -0700, Grant H. wrote:
> > Sorry, also to just clarify the bug and what the issue is.
> 
> Thanks. maybe I should have read link in detail so it is partially my
> fault too.  Excuse me.

Let me join the "I'm sorry club" :-) --- I'm sorry for the long delay in
replying to this.

It looks like you've already narrowed down the purpose of this kind of
bug, but let me clarify that I did not call for any kind of mass bug
filing (MBF). In fact, we have discuss this point on the
fsf-collab-discuss list on Alioth and recommended to discuss MBF there
before proceeding.

At the same time, this kind of bug reports predates the creation of the
collaboration group, and rightly so. Derivatives distributions such as
gNewSense have since quite a while started reporting similar bug reports
to Debian packages, (user)tagging them appropriately so that they're
easy to find a posteriori.  I don't think that each of those bug reports
needs a project-wide discussion, most of those bugs are fully within the
realm of individual maintainer decisions. Some will be different, for
sure, but I don't think that will be case for all of them. Let's look at
the specifics.

In this case, I think the discussion that needs to happen with Osamu, as
package maintainer, is on if and how non-free should be mentioned in the
developer-reference. That non-free is *hosted* on Debian servers is a
fact, as it is a fact that the Social Contract declares non-free (and
contrib) as not being part of Debian.  Considering the two aspects
together, I think the debian-reference can mention non-free, but should
take good care of clarifying the risks that the users take in picking
software from there (lack of freedom and, more practically, lack of
support from Debian, as we can't support stuff for which we don't have
the source code properly). Osamu: would you agree with that?

Grant: would that be enough to fix the "issue", in LibrePlanet's view?

If you don't, I would understand. But in that case please leave this bug
open and tag it as "wontfix", as the purpose of the bug reporting
exercise is to document this kind of issues and their current state in
Debian.

Many thanks in advance for your work,
Cheers.
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