(Dropping -devel) Hi Reinhard,
Le mardi, 28 août 2012 12.18:31, Reinhard Tartler a écrit :
> Package: modemmanager
> Version: 0.5.2.0-1
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Michael Biebl <bi...@debian.org> wrote:
> > Am 18.10.2011 21:16, schrieb Tollef Fog Heen:
> >>
> >> modemmanager shouldn't recommend usb-modeswitch, but suggest it.
> >
> > The problem then is, that users get failures which are extremely hard to
> > debug. The hardware simply won't work for them and we don't have a good
> > way to detect such cases and forward a error message to the user session
> > asking them to install usb-modeswitch.
>
> If that is the problem, then the current implementation seems more
> like a workaround than a fix for this.
In that case, what would be the fix?
Fwiw, the current implementation is the result of the (justified) refusal from
upstream kernel maintainers to maintain the modeswitching quirks in the kernel
and let userspace handle them. This means that the modeswitching information
is now maintained as the usb-modeswitch{,-data} pair: the first sends
switching commands to the devices based on the second's information when
triggered by udev rules in usb-modeswitch-data.
> > As such type of 3G dongles are quite common, imho the recommends is
> > justified.
>
> There seem to be disagreement on this point.
The disagreement back in October 2011 didn't result in change nor bugreport
back then; what has changed since then?
> Moreover, users who
> choose to not remove modem manager will also fall into this
> hard-to-debug situation that you have described above.
I don't understand this assertion. The problem (the hard-to-debug situations)
arises when users have a) a 3G dongle, b) network-manager, c) modemmanager but
d) not usb-modeswitch. In that case, most 3G dongle never ever appear to the
user as "modems", only as unwriteable USB Mass Storage. If, as user, you never
heard of the modeswitching problem, then you have no chance to realize you
need to go manually hunt the suggests of the recommends of network-manager.
This problem is _solved_ by the fact that modemmanager Recommends usb-
modeswitch and thereby avoids the above situation by having usb-modeswitch
transform these useless USB Mass Storage devices into proper modems.
> Let's track
> this issue in a proper bugreport (BCC'ed submit@b.d.o).
Recommends (in all but unusual installations) are the correct answer to the
described problem and causes ~ 630 ko to be installed. People who _know_ they
don't need usb-modeswitch can remove it.
IMHO, this bug should be either closed or marked +wontfix .
Cheers,
OdyX
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