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On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> Would it be unreasonable if someone were to start an
> "uncommon-licenses" package? =C2=A0Then any package depending on that cou=
ld
> use a reference to the license instead of including the full text in
> debian/copyright.

I realize that this misses a certain aspect of interpreting the
legalize of licenses, which is that many believe the full text of a
license needs to accompany all source and binary files.

So then an additional aspect of this solution could be a helper that
takes a copyright.in containing license file references and replaces
that with the appropriate full text.

Best wishes,
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Subject: Unidentified subject!

Michael Gilbert <michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com> writes:

> Would it be unreasonable if someone were to start an "uncommon-licenses"
> package?  Then any package depending on that could use a reference to
> the license instead of including the full text in debian/copyright.

Does that satisfy our legal requirements?  common-licenses is more than
just a dependency; it's essential, and it's extremely difficult to create
a Debian system that doesn't have it.

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Subject: Unidentified subject!

On 05/08/12 00:04, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On May 07, Ben Hutchings <b...@decadent.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Means that services can be started (and stopped?) in response to events
>> such as hardware discovery, incoming network connections, the status of
>> other services, and so on.  (With dependencies still taken into
>> account.)
> I want to add another major event: the service exiting.
> Being able to reliably monitor and automatically restart a failed 
> service is critical.
well, that's another 10 lines of shell worst case. We haven't agreed on
how exactly to handle it and make it configurable and stuff (especially
as tools like monit cover that niche better)

but - here's the magic:
$ cat /sys/fs/cgroup/openrc/release_agent
/lib64/rc/sh/cgroup-release-agent.sh

So, whenever a CGroup becomes empty we trigger a script. That script now
can do ... well ... everything.
Including restarting ${SVCNAME}.

Where we disagree is mostly the policy - is that enabled by default?
(potentially bad)
What if a service gets restarted multiple times? (infinite loop)
Do we want to add a general notifier? (send an email, "foo crashed, I
restarted it)

Apart from that it's trivial to add restarting functionality.
>
>> No, enough politeness.  We get that you like the way Gentoo does things
>> (lots of options, you get to keep the pieces when they break), but some
>> of us are trying to make Debian better than that.  We don't need more
>> half-assed options, we need a solution.
> AOL.
>
Y'all really want to play that game?

Ok, let me play too. I like games.

Bash - debian had netdevices disabled for the longest time, which made
it impossible to just use a normal script that leveraged that awesome
feature. So, uhm, not cool.

Some packages broken on purpose. See nginx (old stupid version not
supported by upstream) that has some random broken thirdparty modules
compiled in so that the upstream documentation doesn't apply for
loadbalancing. Extra bonus: that breakage got imported into other
distros like ubuntu.
"But a single package is not representative of the distro" yeah right,
now suddenly that's not fair game?

OpenSSL.

Now, we can just continue mudslinging, and in the end it's great fun but
nothing productive, or you guys could just stop looking down on
everything else and accept that sometimes other people do produce decent
things.

If you want to make Debian better you could start by looking at where
others have eclipsed you already and figure out how to catch up. Unless
you are willing to accept that possibility and learn you'll be stuck in
NIH hell and rediscover every little corner case and trivial  bug that
others already fixed years ago.

But, hey, that's not my fight. I won't stop you from being silly, I just
reserve the right to point and laugh at appropriate times.

Have a nice day,

Patrick
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Subject: Unidentified subject!

Michael Gilbert <mgilb...@debian.org> writes:

> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote:
>> Would it be unreasonable if someone were to start an
>> "uncommon-licenses" package? =C2=A0Then any package depending on that co=
uld
>> use a reference to the license instead of including the full text in
>> debian/copyright.
>
> I realize that this misses a certain aspect of interpreting the
> legalize of licenses, which is that many believe the full text of a
> license needs to accompany all source and binary files.
>
> So then an additional aspect of this solution could be a helper that
> takes a copyright.in containing license file references and replaces
> that with the appropriate full text.

I can add support for something like this to dh-exec, but the usage will
be slightly awkward, since executable debian/copyright is not
supported, but an executable debian/$package.docs is.

So I can write a dh-exec tool that pulls in the right license for you,
and all you need to do to use it, is to not have a debian/copyright in
the source, but (for example) a debian/copyright.in, and this in your
debian/$package.docs:

,----
| #! /usr/bin/dh-exec --with=3Dcopyright-magic
| debian/copyright.in | copyright-magic
| README.md
| whatever-else-you want
`----

Of course the syntax would have to change a bit to make more sense, but
I have a bus to catch.

It might even be possible to have a debian/copyright and overwrite it
via debian/$package.docs, but I haven't verified if that would work.

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On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 03:30:11PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>(lots of options, you get to keep the pieces when they break), but some
>of us are trying to make Debian better than that.  We don't need more
>half-assed options, we need a solution.

Well, it seems we have a problem to define what is =E2=80=9Ebetter=E2=80=9D=
=2E Without this=20
definition we won=E2=80=99t get the right solution. I prefer several half-a=
ssed=20
options I can choose from instead of having one solution I don=E2=80=99t li=
ke and=20
I can=E2=80=99t change. Then I can use Windows again.

Shade and sweet water!

        Stephan

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On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 06:14:38PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> So you don't support for instance 1.0~git20120503, then?  (the git
> snapshot from today of what will become 1.0)

They would probably call it 1.0_git20120503 since apparently they don't
believe in the _ field seperator.

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