On Mon, March 19, 2012 18:08, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Thijs Kinkhorst <th...@debian.org> wrote:
>>> The httpd might run on another machine and use PHP via FastCGI over
>>> TCP.
>>
>> I think that situation is rare enough that the current status of httpd
>> as
>> Recommends suffices: "The Recommends field should list packages that
>> would
>> be found together with this one in all but unusual installations.".
>> Afterall, it's easy to not install the recommendation - it's just not
>> the
>> default. This makes sense to me.
>
> But is there a real advantage?
> Are there really people that install phpmyadmin but don't have a
> webserver installed and then have no clue what's wrong?

Perhaps they have a clue what to do but they would need to take another
action. I think we should optimise for the default case to work well and
with as few steps as possible.

>>> Having every single web app list httpd pkgs, PHP pkgs and even
>>> www-browser doesn't seem useful to me.
>>
>> I agree that www-browser is not useful, but it's not in this package's
>> dependencies :-)
>
> Isn't it suggested? http://packages.debian.org/sid/phpmyadmin

It is, it was originally higher but I downgraded it when I took over
maintenance. Having it removed or in Suggests are both fine with me since
Suggests is more 'documentation' than anything technical.

>>> Why not just depend on the php5 meta pkg?
>>
>> We may do this, but at least currently not all of its alternatives do
>> come
>> with a recommendation of httpd. And given the explanation above I also
>> don't quite see the drawback of the current situation.
>
> I wanted to install phpmyadmin and was surprised it wanted to pull in
> apache2.
> It's not a real problem, it just struck me as odd. Especially since I
> intended to use Lighttpd.

Apache2 is indeed the default web server. However, I think your scenario
just works if you either have lighttpd already installed or if you specify
phpmyadmin and lighttpd both on the command line.


Cheers,
Thijs




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