On 31 Jan 2005 at 22:20, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's VOLUNTEER DRIVEN WORK, and yes I agree this bug sucks.
That's like saying, "it's volunteer so don't EXPECT it to be GOOD". Consider all the great stuff in Debian that's better than the equivalent payware. Stuff that would be impossible if volunteer coding and management were innately disorganized, maladapted or defective. > So I talked about it to the other maintainers of mozilla packages: > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mozilla-maintainers/2005-J > anuary/000010.html Good, but no replies yet. Perhaps if you were less pleasant, or just quoted me? > The bug isn't in Galeon, but in Mozilla as I told you. You sure did, but if Mozilla's insensitive to three years of that, they may never fix it; maybe it'd be better to grab the initiative and consider a new and better downloader. Put it on the TODO even. It could be an advantage for Galeon. > Look at bugzilla.mozilla.org, and give a hand at fixing these: > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/reports.cgi?product=-All-&datasets=NEW%3A&; > datasets=ASSIGNED%3A&datasets=REOPENED%3A&datasets=UNCONFIRMED% 3A Hmm, a line graph showing 30000 new, 16000 unconfirmed, 6000 assigned, 1500 reopened bugs. Hope they're not all Mozilla. Awesome as 30000 bugs may seem, it's irrelevant to this one bug here. If you were saying "Go to the end of the line. Once the other 29999 are fixed then we'll think about this bug" that wouldn't follow, as a three year old bug wouldn't be at the end of the line. But ranking bugs by age is dubious. The best method of bug ranking is an interesting topic though. > I can understand Galeon seems to lack in some simple domains, ranting > won't help sadly, people are working on what they like to do. I strongly believe that ranting does help if we look at the big picture. Definition: by ranting I mean emphatic complaints, usually quite redundant. The most obvious benefit is that it acts like an alarm. But suppose you're right, and redundant alarms do not help fix this or most any other bug, they only annoy maintainers. I'd still say it helps because a public BTS has three audiences: the maintainers, the users, and posterity. Ranting helps other disgruntled users know they're not the only ones with a problem, and helps new users deciding whether to try the software if it's worth the bother. Even rants presently ignored by both maintainers and users may help, since a large body of sound complaints ignored serves as a warning to the future. In sum, a rant may help alarm people into fixing something, and if not it helps debunk the unfixed thing's undeserved good reputation and thus speeds an inferior tool's eventual decline, or failing that, it may help prevent an unwise revival. It's all good. Caveat: this democratic view assumes most complainers have enough common sense to be right more often than not. Aristocrats and elitists who disdain common opinion might logically demand respect and servility at all times, since no mortal knows better than them. > The great thing is: you can join and help! Well I am, by COMPLAINING. Also by helping maintainers appreciate that complaints, nags, gripes, bitching, venting, ranting, and so forth are friends indeed. Good friends that tell you what fake friends and flatterers can't. The pleasures of creation aren't always good, and the pains of destruction aren't always bad.
