On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 05:04:50PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Several of the packages in the above list are Priority required, and > I feel they should not be removed from the debian base system while they > have that priority, as our documentation documents Required packages as > packages whose removal will make the the system be "totally broken". > Even if that's not true for all of them, consistency is important. > This includes procps, varying gccs and mbr.
I'm going to change the behavior for standard and installer bootstraps
to install complete required. Minimal and (build-)chroot installs or not
affected.
> I have never seen the point of the mbr package, but whatever. ;-)
Standard i386 mbr which jumps into the first partition, lilo and grub
are able to produce them also
> If you install cron, etc, it will drag in a mta, and approximatly 50% of
> the list of what's left out.. And we've had the discussion about it on
> -devel, during/after DebConf 3, and decided Debian base does currently
> include a mta.
Currently it will be pulled in by dependencies.
> Without gettext-base, base-config will not be properly localised.
Why doesn't it depend against? base-config is optional, gettext-base is
standard.
> Without ifupdown, our current nice automated second-stage install of
> debian over the network will not work anymore. That would be bad.
> dhclient is debatable; d-i sometimes knows enough to install it or not,
> but does not in some scenarios and should always install it then.
ifupdown (important) and dhcp(3)-client (optional) should be okay?
> I have not checked the base system for documentation available only as
> info pages, but I suspect there is some, and so we should include a
> reader, as we do for man and html pages.
w3m is standard.
> Without tasksel, base-config will continue to work, but a lot of people
> will find it difficult to use aptitude to install tasks, so we need to
> keep tasksel.
I include it in installer bootstraps.
> procps is necessary for basic system administration tasks, like killing
> runaway processes. Some of psmisc is also rather commonly used, though
> less so.
procps is pulled in as required.
> Users will be suprised not to have wget available, I predict. It's used
> in lots of bare-metal disaster recovery scenarios.
Okay
> Yep. I think that these kinds of changes, which effectively change what
> is part of the base debian system, need to be discussed by debian as a
> whole on deban-devel.
The problem is, that there is no other listing of packages than the
debootstrap source. I attach a current list of the installations in
cdebootstrap. (It is _not_ in sync with neither unstable nor my public
repository)
Package Flavour[1] Comment
===============================================
any:
apt any
apt-utils any may change to standard, installer
at standard, installer broken dependency against mail-transfer-agent
base-config standard, installer
cron standard, installer
dhcp3-client installer
ifupdown installer
info standard, installer
iputils-ping standard, installer
logrotate standard, installer
manpages standard, installer
man-db standard, installer
modconf standard, installer package is linux only
nano standard, installer
netkit-inetd standard, installer
nvi standard, installer do we need that or should nano supperseed it?
sysklogd standard, installer
tasksel installer
wget standard, installer
whiptail standard, installer for debconf
alpha:
aboot standard
hppa:
palo standard
i386:
lilo standard superseeding with grub pending
ia64:
elilo standard
parted standard, installer
m68k:
vmelilo standard
mips:
dvhtool standard
mipsel:
delo standard
powerpc:
yaboot standard
s390:
s390-tools standard
sparc:
silo standard
alpha, i386, mips, mipsel, sparc:
pciutils standard, installer
alpha, i386, mips, mipsel:
setserial standard, installer
[1] currently defined:
- standard: simple invocation of cdebootstrap
- installer: debian-installer version
- minimal: only essential
Bastian
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