alright, I undertstand. Thanks for doing that research Jesse. Has anyone set up a postfix query to pull just forwarding aliases from thhe dbmail alias table? it would be inconvenient to make a new table.
Probably wouldn't be that hard I suppose, I'll have a go at it. -Micah On Thu June 12 2003 10:05 am, Jesse Norell wrote: > Hello, > > From rfc 2821, we have excerpts: > > "SMTP servers performing a relay function MUST NOT inspect the > message data, and especially not to the extent needed to determine > if Return-path headers are present." > > and > > " a gateway from elsewhere->SMTP SHOULD delete any return-path > header present in the message, and either copy that information to > the SMTP envelope or combine it with information present in the > envelope of the other transport system to construct the reverse > path argument to the MAIL command in the SMTP envelope." > > So, if dbmail is considered part of the SMTP implimentation, it > is broken, and shouldn't remove the Return-Path: that was there - but > I don't think it is part of SMTP, it's more a "gateway from elsewhere" > which becomes an SMTP sender, in which case it SHOULD make this work > right, but strictly speaking, doesn't have to. > > In short, use postfix aliases right now, and this should be put on > a todo list to fix in dbmail (ie. when it strips the Return-Path: > out of a message it is forwarding somewhere, use that address as the > envelop sender in MAIL FROM command). > > Later... > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: Jesse Norell <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Dbmail] forwarded bounces > Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:42:23 -0600 (MDT) > > > Heh... > > > > It just occured to me, that I am using a dbmail forward myself as > > of last weekend. Looking that this message (the one I'm replying to), > > there is a single "Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" header. That will > > be where bounces are sent, and from some testing it looks like that > > is inserted by the smtp receiver, using the MAIL FROM address. (There > > was no Return-Path: in the message headers of what dbmail sent me > > on a forward, so the one I see has to be added by the local smtp > > receiver). Lemme see what I can find in rfc 2822. > > > > > > ---- Original Message ---- > > From: Jesse Norell <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Dbmail] forwarded bounces > > Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:23:59 -0600 (MDT) > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > You might need to use postfix aliases for this right now, which > > > work the way you want. I'll try testing a dbmail off-site forward > > > and see if I get the same results. Can you look in the relayed > > > message for Return-Path: headers? See if there are multiple ones > > > there, or just one with [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or none at all, I guess). > > > I'd have to look at the rfc for proper behavior, but it seems dbmail > > > should leave the Return-Path: that postfix puts in there alone, so > > > the far end replies to that address. If dbmail changes it itsself > > > (which I kind of doubt), it's probably broken. If the far end smtp > > > server is putting a Return-Path: from the smtp MAIL FROM command, > > > then... I don't know if it ought to be configured not to do that when > > > a Return-Path: is already present, of if dbmail should use the > > > Return-Path: address in it's MAIL FROM command - but one or the other > > > should probably fix it. > > > > > > More ramblings from the desk of, > > > Jesse > > > > > > ---- Original Message ---- > > > From: Micah Stevens <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [Dbmail] forwarded bounces > > > Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:59:51 -0700 > > > > > > > Yes, that entry is: > > > > dbmail unix - n n - - pipe > > > > flags=R user=dbmail:dbmail argv=/usr/local/sbin/dbmail-smtp -d > > > > ${recipient} > > > > > > > > On Thu June 12 2003 7:21 am, Jesse Norell wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > Do you have flags=R in your master.cf entry for dbmail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ---- > > > > > From: Micah Stevens <[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: [Dbmail] forwarded bounces > > > > > Sent: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:30:01 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have many forwarded aliases to other domain in the table, > > > > > > I've been noticing that if a mail is forwarded through dbmail and > > > > > > gets rejected from the recipient's server, the mail gets bounced > > > > > > to postmaster at the dbmail domain. Ideally, the error notice > > > > > > should then get sent back to the original sender, but it's just > > > > > > getting dropped into my postmaster account. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this behavior standard for mail forwarding or is it peculiar > > > > > > to dbmail? It seems wrong as the sender will never know that the > > > > > > mail was not recieved, but I wasn't sure if there was a technical > > > > > > hurdle for this happen or not. If I was using Postfix for > > > > > > forwarding, would it behave differently? > > > > > > > > > > > > My other thought was that there was something configured wrong, > > > > > > but I couldn't think of what to change. I'm running dbmail CVS as > > > > > > of a couple of months ago, with MySQL / Postfix. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any insight on this, > > > > > > -Micah > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Dbmail mailing list > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > https://mailman.fastxs.nl/mailman/listinfo/dbmail > > > > > > > > > > -- End Original Message -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Jesse Norell > > > > > jesse (at) kci.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Dbmail mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > https://mailman.fastxs.nl/mailman/listinfo/dbmail > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Dbmail mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > https://mailman.fastxs.nl/mailman/listinfo/dbmail > > > > > > -- End Original Message -- > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jesse Norell > > > jesse (at) kci.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Dbmail mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://mailman.fastxs.nl/mailman/listinfo/dbmail > > > > -- End Original Message -- > > > > > > -- > > Jesse Norell > > jesse (at) kci.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dbmail mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mailman.fastxs.nl/mailman/listinfo/dbmail > > -- End Original Message -- > > > -- > Jesse Norell > jesse (at) kci.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Dbmail mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman.fastxs.nl/mailman/listinfo/dbmail
