I'll take care of this when I'm a a machine. Should be within two hours. -- Sent from a rotary phone rented from Ma Bell
On Jan 22, 2018 4:03 AM, "Matthew Phillips" <[email protected]> wrote: > Matt, > Thanks for chiming in. Since the voting period is over, it looks like the > proposal has passed. Since Frew has firstcome, I believe the next steps are > his. > > Cheers > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Matt S Trout <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> This doesn't appear to have fully displayed in the web archives so I'm >> replying-to-self with the full text quoted in the hopes that works to give >> people something they can link to. >> >> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 05:31:56PM +0000, Matt S Trout wrote: >> > A little late to the party, but I needed to get my thoughts straight. >> > >> > I originally intervened because the plan as I then understood it was >> "end >> > DBIC feature development and transfer ownership to an unknown CPAN >> author who >> > wasn't one of the main contributors so far as I could tell" (though of >> course >> > I couldn't be sure because I didn't know - and still don't - who it was >> > intended to be). >> > >> > From my point of view "end feature development" is effectively >> equivalent to >> > "declare project over" (and that seems to be a relatively common POV, >> as the >> > responses to a certain recent perl.com article have made quite >> visible), and >> > I felt that the community should have some input into so momentous and >> > potentially irrevocable a decision. >> > >> > The eventual end result of the debate on the list seemed to indicate >> that >> > continuing to move forward - albeit extremely carefully, as befits an >> > infrastructure level project - was the general consensus, but the sheer >> > vitriol level of the discussion left me substantially burned out in >> terms >> > of the project. >> > >> > I was *expecting* that one or both of "mst recovers from burnout wrt >> DBIC" or >> > "community engages and starts making proposals" would happen within a >> few >> > months; neither did, and it's now a little over a year on and I still >> haven't >> > been able to muster the time and motivation to get things moving >> forwards >> > again. I was, admittedly, hoping to do that shortly, but given I've >> been in >> > a mental state of "hoping to do that shortly" for about the past year I >> don't >> > think it's reasonable or fair to ask people to rely on it coming true >> *this* >> > time, especially given I don't think I can honestly claim that *I'm* >> convinced >> > I'm not still deluding myself in that regard. >> > >> > So at this point, the decision under discussion is basically "retain the >> > status quo, with the attached risk of de-facto death by good intentions >> that >> > never go anywhere" versus "give the project to the only person other >> than me >> > with a truly in-depth understanding of the architecture who's also the >> only >> > person other than me to have led the project, who's now indicated that >> he is >> > once again willing to do so". >> > >> > I think under the circumstances it's pretty clear which of these options >> > gives DBIC the better odds and best opportunity for ongoing success. >> > >> > As such: >> > >> > +1 >> > >> > -- mst, out. >> > >> > -- >> > If you truly love something, set it free. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > List: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dbix-class >> > IRC: irc.perl.org#dbix-class >> > SVN: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/repos/bast/DBIx-Class/ >> > Searchable Archive: http://www.grokbase.com/group/ >> [email protected] >> >> -- >> Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and >> a clue >> >> http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_ >> mst/ >> >> Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our >> CPAN >> commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your >> team. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> List: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dbix-class >> IRC: irc.perl.org#dbix-class >> SVN: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/repos/bast/DBIx-Class/ >> Searchable Archive: http://www.grokbase.com/group/ >> [email protected] >> > > > _______________________________________________ > List: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dbix-class > IRC: irc.perl.org#dbix-class > SVN: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/repos/bast/DBIx-Class/ > Searchable Archive: http://www.grokbase.com/group/ > [email protected] >
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