FAIL!

> def short_url(id)
>   id = id + 13
>   id.to_s.reverse.to_i
>   Verhoeff.checksum_of(n).to_i.to_s(36)
> end

11 and 227 both map to the same short url (because '240' is reversed
to make '042'.to_i = 42)

I think this can be fixed because the Verhoeff.checksum_of method
accepts strings starting with 0:

> def short_url(id)
>   id = id + 13
>   id.to_s.reverse
>   Verhoeff.checksum_of(n).to_i.to_s(36)
> end

Hopefully this now does produce unique results ... anybody see any
problems?

cheers,

DAZ




On Mar 13, 12:06 pm, DAZ <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> > You could use the record's id, and then add a checksum digit using the
> > Luhn or Verhoeff algorithm, and then convert the resulting number to a
> > base 36 string.
> > There are three advantages to this approach.
>
> >   1) you don't have to worry about generating a random value and
> > dealing with collisions since the database handles it for you
> >   2) you can detect typos and mistakes without having to hit the
> > database
> >   3) people won't be able to guess the URLs unless they are familiar
> > with the exact algo you're using
>
> I've just been playing around with luhnacy and oklasoft-verhoeff gems.
>
> The main problem now seems to be  with point 3 - because only the last
> digit is changing there is very little difference in the resulting
> strings for bigger integers
> eg:
> def short_url(id)
>   Verhoeff.checksum_of(n).to_i.to_s(36)
> end
>
> short_url(12897) => "2rip"
> short_url(12897) => "2riv"
>
> To get round this I had a go at adding a number at the beginning then
> reversing the digits before adding the chechsum digit:
>
> def short_url(id)
>   id = id + 13
>   id.to_s.reverse.to_i
>   Verhoeff.checksum_of(n).to_i.to_s(36)
> end
>
> This seems to do the trick:
>
> short_url(12897) => "etp"
> short_url(12897) => "2jzf"
>
> My only worry now is have I compromised point 1 - are the values still
> unique? I think they are but will need to have a bit more of a think
> about the possibilities.
>
> Point 2 is a bonus - being able to check a URL for authenticity before
> hitting the database to search for it.
>
> So I think this might work ... thanks to everybody for their help and
> suggestions!
>
> DAZ
> ps - would I still store this as type UUID, or just a string?
>
> On Mar 13, 12:06 am, "Dan Kubb (dkubb)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > DAZ,
>
> > > I definitely need short strings - 6-8 characters for the url. It is
> > > for the url of e-cards that people send - they don't have to be secret
> > > urls, but it would be nice if people couldn't easily guess other urls
> > > and read other peoples cards, so just using the auto-incrementing id
> > > isn't really an option :(
>
> > You could use the record's id, and then add a checksum digit using the
> > Luhn or Verhoeff algorithm, and then convert the resulting number to a
> > base 36 string. There are libraries to handle the checksum generation
> > and testing so it would only take a couple of lines of code for both
> > operations.
>
> > A determined hacker could just brute force things too, I don't see any
> > way for 100% protection in those cases. The best thing you can hope
> > for is to discourage casual exploration of the URL space.
>
> > > How likely is rand(36**8).to_s(36) to have a collision compared to
> > > truncating UUIDTools::UUID.random_create?
>
> > It's probably the same.
>
> > > I realise that with smaller strings the chances of collision are
> > > larger. How do sites like disqus and bit.ly make their short urls?
>
> > I don't know precisely. I'd guess they do something like above, I
> > don't see how they could do it any other way at the scales they are
> > working at.
>
> > --
>
> > Dan
> > (dkubb)

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