Declan McCullagh wrote:
> I haven't read enough to know for sure who's right or wrong, but William
> has been citing the decision and using it to buttress his arguments, and Ed
> has been mostly just saying his point of view is the correct one.
The decision being used is being misused IMO and I have shown
that logically, in my last email. Further, any fair person reading William's
reply posted below will easily, I presume, see a series of prejudices.
Miltary hunta??? Gosh, this is ridiculous, to say the least and
equally falacious as the other "arguments" I read below, William. Which
is a pity, Wiliiam, since so far you were rating not so bad.
> Can we end this argument already, or at least stop copying people who have
> professed no interest in it?
I have called for this two times already -- since William and I might
better agree to disagree. I will not agree that reverse engineering is
a "good thing" when it is explictly denied and yet done for a profit (fame
or money). And, I am sure you don't want me to repost my messages
sayng that ;-) Of course, I can also not reply but .. this is the Internet.
I get a lot worse spam messages than this mildly amusing and sometimes
informative exchange. As I said, before, you are welcome to write me
personally, William, and I will reply just as well as if you had copied
the entire Net gazillions.
May you all have a great day!
Cheers -- Ed Gerck
Declan:
I did not copy you in first place.
>
>
> -Declan
>
> At 10:09 3/24/2000 -0500, William Allen Simpson wrote:
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >
> >Ed Gerck wrote:
> > > > I'm curious, tho'. Where are you licensed to practice law?
> > >
> > > In the US, amateur engineers are not allowed by law, but amateur
> > > lawyers are. Accordingly, everyone is also expected to know the law --
> > > not just lawyers, which of course does not apply to the more complex
> > > art of engineering or physics. My qualifications are public, btw, if you
> > > want to know just do an altavista search.
> > >
> >Apparently, you've never even seen the Stac decision that you argue
> >supports your rhetoric, and don't follow important cases on this
> >subject. Unfortunately, you just ran into someone who has some
> >actual knowledge of the case. That's why I asked for citations.
> >
> >Your incorrect first sentence compounds the error. Perhaps you
> >could provide citations here, also? (At least in Michigan, legal
> >representation by non-lawyers is prohibited by law, engineering
> >advice from non-engineers is not -- lawyers write the laws.)
> >
> >The lawyer that shares my social life thought the opinions were
> >ill-informed; she guessed correctly as to your practice status.
> >
> >
> > > So, Sonny v Connectix is NOT your trump card in this thread,
> > > as you seem to take it for. Quite to the contrary, I show above
> > > that a logical reading of the decision both supports my arguments
> > > as well as it denies what you have been assuming all along. I take it thus
> > > as one of my trump cards, thank you, conveniently at hand as you might say.
> > >
> >It would be really, really helpful when you would actually read the
> >entire text quoted, check the cited cases, and most importantly,
> >refrain from amazingly tortured and contorted interpretations of fairly
> >straightforward court decisions.
> >
> >(Again, I followed that particular case because I'm personally
> >acquainted with the defendants. I Am Not A Lawyer -- but, I've won
> >a fair number of cases pro se in both Federal and Michigan courts, at
> >District, Circuit and Appellate level, and take some satisfaction
> >that several judges have congratulated me on my preparation. Heck,
> >I'm not a cryptographer, either, or a "licensed" engineer -- but I've
> >designed a few security protocols that have some degree of
> >widespread use. I've never removed any signatures from written
> >documents for a military hunta. Wow, what a qualification!)
> >
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> >Version: PGP 6.5.1
> >
> >iQCVAwUBONuE1Nm/qMj6R+sxAQFU/QP9EmbSZM3dtIyT5FPKWTiI4fA0/meC4R4R
> >ZqZfY05JYNmqpyMDvePblvo9DL9uhHAiJWCJX/ITMxPYwoCxcYjRiwHyLe/qgCd7
> >9gQWYo/7iC6a3dLQLgGjM8ZRWEZzVnYxkfPYvt/nE1U8pwwFfF/hyJpKaN4NUFTE
> >b5k6qzICsKQ=
> >=f6j8
> >-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
