On 08/10/2016 07:53 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: > > > On 08/10/2016 05:03 AM, Bastiani Fortress wrote: > > >> 11:00 PM, August 9, 2016, John Newman <[email protected]>: > >> If you dig punk/hardcore, the band Propagandhi makes some great >> shit. > >> Rage against the machine, while we're at it :) > >> Personally I don't hold much hope for humanity..I figure the >> solution to Fermis paradox is self-evident. > >> That is so depressing, but there's no denying it. In such >> discussions with people, i always claim cooperation and empathy is >> just as human nature as selfishness, as a pro-socialist argument, >> but deep down inside, i can't say i have much hope either. > > Fermi's Paradox? Per its .com address: > > "The Fermi Paradox is the apparent contradiction between the high > probability extraterrestrial civilizations' existence and the lack of > contact with such civilizations."
Maybe someone is killing them off ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Star > I don't mean to diss the "inevitable self destruction" model. My own > conclusion is that it's in progress here and now and can not be > stopped by any human agency. But while the end of civilization as we > know it may be unthinkable for Civilized people and institutions, > leading to the illusion that it means extinction, it is not > unsurvivable. Humans are the toughest weeds Nature ever made, capable > of living on pack ice or dry rock desert for half the year armed only > with Neolithic technology ... and loving it. What will the first > couple of Post Apocalyptic generations make out of the mangled > landscapes and derelict infrastructure of Civilization? A new kind of > civilization, of course. > > That thing that happened in Europe after the Black Death? Homo Sap > ain't seen nothing yet: This time it's global, and post-scarcity is > among the possible outcomes. > > We don't see interstellar "civilizations" very often, because those > who did not get over making everything bigger and more powerful for > sake of bigness and power didn't make it. For reals. Some of those > gamma bursts may be industrial accidents, or Bad Outcomes to MAD based > defense strategies (an especially stupid kind of industrial accident). > > If the absence of torrents of long range EM message traffic is > surprising, that's only because we presume aliens talk with strings > and tin cans "just like us." If the absence of star drive signatures > is surprising, it's more likely that our assumptions about what those > signatures would be are faulty, than that there are no interstellar > voyagers riding the starwinds. If the absence of physical visitors is > surprising, that just means a lot of people have not taken a hard > critical look at UFO investigations: Failure to invade and loot or > otherwise dominate a technologically weaker species' cradle planet may > be evidence of the presence of extraterrestrial intelligence, rather > than its absence. > > In my view practical anarchism is much more about developing > adaptations for conditions after the fall of Civilization, than with > making Civilization fall. The latter task has already been done for > us gratis [not], by the Powers and Principalities of the world. > Building the best future possible for kids born in 2150 is gonna be a > fuckton of work, and we better get as much done in advance as possible. > > :o) > > > > >
