At 10:03 PM -0700 7/13/00, Kevin Elliott wrote: >At 21:32 -0500 7/13/00, Jim Choate wrote: >>On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Kevin Elliott wrote: >> >>> A corporation is an organization collectively owned by a group of >>> individuals, by the 14th, all powers denied to the federal government >>> are denied to the states as well. A corporation is collectively >>> owned by a group of people and thus every single right you have as an >>> individual in regards to your personal property apply. No >>> exceptions, no invented rights, it's black and white. A corporation >>> has the same protections as an individual. >> >>Interesting, But wrong. >> >>"An artificial being created by operation of law, with an existance >>distinct from the individuals (shareholders) who are its "owners". >>Business Law >>Emerson, Hardwicke (Barron's) >>ISBN 0-7641-0101-3 > >And how does that change my earlier statement? We're allowed to own >beings as well as object (cats, dogs, rats, squirrels, etc...) and >all of these beings have an existence distinct from their owners. >Your not allowed to search my dog without my permission anymore than >your allowed to search my house. Kevin, You need to understand that Jim Choate frequently (usually?) has idiosyncratic views of how the Constitution works, of what prime numbers are, of how electromagnetic laws really work, of what history was, and so on. In Choate Prime, a universe which exists parallel to our own, the Constitution does not apply to corporations because it only applies to individuals. In Choate Prime, the "New York Times" is routinely told what it may print and has its offices searched regularly without search warrants...because it is a corporation and hence is not, in Choate Prime, covered by the First and Fourth Amendments. In Choate Prime a restaurant may have its property seized without due process simply because constitutional guarantees of due process and concerns about "takings" only apply to individuals. And in Choate Prime, a church or other group may be told which prayers it may use, because, as all Choate Primates know, the separation of church and state applies only to individuals, not to companies, corporations, clubs, mailing lists, churches, and other groups. Because in Choate Prime the Bill of Rights only applies to individuals, not to newspapers, churches, corporations, and clubs. Of course, these very groups and churches and suchlike exist only at the sufferance of the government, because "freedom of association" applies only to individuals. As soon as a group is named, whether "Church of Mormon" or "Intel Corporation," it no longer has any Bill of Rights protections. A weird world. But at least they have unlimited energy from Tesla Physics. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
