Dear all, So here is Takin's first iteration of the mapping of the Information Categories to CIDOC CRM.
https://zellij.pythonanywhere.com/docs/list/appWazIHCbYoDxAqu?scraper=Models&selectedMenuItem=%2Fdocs%2Fdisplay%2FappWazIHCbYoDxAqu%2FModels%3Fsearch%3DINGM.4_Physical%2BObject We have mapped the original document (which I think was never fully complete) to CIDOC CRM using Linked.Art as the target model. We used the SRDM method for documenting the patterns into models. https://openhumanitiesdata.metajnl.com/articles/10.5334/johd.282 I think this could be a very interesting project to take further in connection with the rest of CIDOC connecting with DSWG and Linked.Art at the very least. Anyhow, I can report on this work if there is time. BEst, George On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 4:50 PM George Bruseker <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Christian Emil, > > I agree a is important, but I took a crack at b too. > > For the documentation of the information groups considered as an > information standard, Takin is making an alignment to CIDOC CRM and > documenting them as data patterns on the Zellij semantic data pattern > management tool. We will be able to share this work by the time of the > meeting and seek your feedback on correctness, and what we might want to do > with it. > > Best, > George > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 11:19 AM Christian-Emil Smith Ore < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I support the a as the highest priority. The categories in b stem from >> the CICOC relational data model presented in Stavanger in 1995 . The model >> was found to be too complex and resulted in the work with CRM. >> Best, >> Chr-Emil >> ------------------------------ >> *Fra:* George Bruseker <[email protected]> >> *Sendt:* tirsdag 9. september 2025 08:16 >> *Til:* crm-sig <[email protected]> >> *Kopi:* Christian-Emil Smith Ore <[email protected]>; Øyvind Eide < >> [email protected]>; Eleni Tsouloucha <[email protected]> >> *Emne:* Re: Issue 687 HW >> >> Dear Eleni, >> >> Thank you for the reminder. I have followed up this issue, >> connnecting with Nicholas Crofts to ask about some of the work that has >> been done previously on this. He was also able to share an earlier document >> worked on by himself, Martin and others in creating the original diagrams. >> >> My understanding to date, evolving, is that the original purpose of the >> diagrams that are now under the 'use and learn; section was actually to >> make a solid connection to museum practice and the existing information >> standards of ICOM Documentation (nee CIDOC). >> >> This is the standard in 1995: >> >> >> https://cidoc.mini.icom.museum/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/03/guidelines1995.pdf >> >> And at some point it even gets broken down into suggested fields, which >> we find in the document on the link you share here: >> >> CIDOC reference model Information Groups (1997 >> <https://cidoc-crm.org/Resources/cidoc-reference-model-information-groups> >> ) >> >> But as a generation of learners of CIDOC CRM can attest, I believe, the >> diagrams have since evolved to also play an important role in learning >> about the ontology itself. So it seems like they are now called upon to do >> a dual function. As we have been working to update them we have been >> updating them more towards making them towards the standard as it is, but >> haven't been focussed on connecting back to the original CIDOC information >> groups etc. >> >> I think this poses a question, which I think the group needs to consider >> and answer together. >> >> The diagrams we are working on now, are they for >> >> a) explaining and learning the CRM, >> b) connecting the CRM to the CIDOC Information Categories >> or >> c) both. >> >> My opinion is that they are uncomfortably for both right now. >> >> I wonder if we shouldn't create a set of diagrams which are just for >> learning the ontology (maybe these are fewer and more targeted) and we >> separate this function from the CIDOC information categories question. >> >> For the b functionality, representing CIDOC information categories, I >> think we should connect with ICOM Documentation and find out if this would >> be a priority and an interest. We could try to make this a collaboration >> with other committees and museums. In effect this is just a semantic >> modelling exercise of fields, at which we are very good now and for which >> many tools exist to create the data. The meaningful thing here though might >> be to really connect up with active documentation work, so that ICOM >> Documentation can illustrate the categories in action and those categories >> are correctly linked up to the best present state of CIDOC CRM ontology and >> semantic modelling practice. >> >> This is what I have to report. I think it's quite interesting and worth a >> discussion at the next SIG and also of course here on the list. >> >> Best, >> >> George >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 7, 2025 at 1:34 PM Eleni Tsouloucha <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> in the last SIG meeting you volunteered to look at the original CIDOC >> reference model Information Groups (1997) >> <https://cidoc-crm.org/Resources/cidoc-reference-model-information-groups> >> for issue 687 >> <https://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-687-review-the-textual-descriptions-to-diagrams-in-the-functional-overview>, >> to determine whether the diagrams in the Use and Learn section were >> intended as part of the original standard or if they were meant as >> examples, and on the basis of the diagrams therein to establish if we need >> to add/change in the diagrams of the Use and Learn. >> >> Is this something you are willing to do ahead of the October meeting? >> Please let me know. >> >> Best, >> >> >> -- >> Eleni Tsouloucha >> Philologist - MA Linguistics & Language Technologies >> Center for Cultural Informatics >> Information Systems Laboratory - Institute of Computer Science >> Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) >> >> Address: N. Plastira 100, GR-70013 Heraklion, Grece >> email: [email protected], [email protected] >> Tel: +30 2810391488 >> >>
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