Faustine wrote: > > Too true. But if we want to actually reach people who *would* care if only they > knew, it's important to talk about it without coming across like a full-bore > paranoid. It seems like a bad idea to risk losing credibility with careless > rhetoric and sloppy thinking. More than that, it's important to keep it > straight for your own sake. There's only one proper response in the english language to your reply. And that's simply this: Go Fuck Yourself. Ok, fair enough, you want the long winded explanation. Here it is: 1. That's for saying I come across like a full-bore paranoid. Here you are again implying your self-importance on this list over members who have been here since its creation. 2. You're assuming that I'm not "keeping it straight." "For my "sake?" How would you fucking know what's in my head? How would you know what I think is true or isn't? Who the fuck asked you? > The way I see it, you can either marginalize yourself with a "truth versus the > world" siege mentality, or you can try to actually communicate something > valuable about important issues. And calling people drones, sheep and idiots > right off the bat doesn't exactly seem like a winning public relations > strategy. Even if they mostly are, does it really hurt anything to keep it to > yourself for awhile in the interests of finding an audience for your message? > Is total candor really worth the price you pay in alienating otherwise > sympathetic people? It's a tradeoff; something to consider at any rate. 3. They are sheep. always have been. Proof of this is the fact that they would give up liberty for securty. And they do deserve neither. 4. I'm not interested in public relations. I'm not a PR drone, nor have I any use for them. They spin the truth. No thanks. Fuck them all. I like my truth straight, unspinned. Fuck being Politically Correct. Yes it would hurt me to be a lying turd. I'd rather come off as an asshole to the sheeple. I'm not here to put on a show for them. If they find value in my words, so be it. If they don't, fuck'em. And you. I'm not here for the audience. I'm not here for Jeff Gordon's amusement, nor am I here for yours. I'm here to discuss the things I wish to discuss with those I wish to discuss it with. If some of the audience wish to step up to the plate and get out of their sheep mentality, that's great. Fuck'em otherwise. Hell, they've proven themselves somewhat smart enough to subscribe - though there is some question as to those that find out they don't like it and can't figure out how to unscumscribe themsevles afterwards. 5. Total candor is worth it. Those who aren't sheep will realize the facts for themselves and will appreciate total candor. Those who are sheep, are hopeless. They've proven that time and time again, every time they speak, every time they vote, every time they have commented. Each chance they get, they'll conceede to more and more draconian laws. Each chance they get asked for ID, they happily bend over. Each time they get asked for more restrictions, they agree. Fuck them. > When trying to talk to people who basically trust the government to always do > the right thing, maybe the first step to "waking them up" to goventmental abuse > would be to point them to documents on abuse generated by the government > itself: (the Church Committee, the Murphy Commission, the Gates hearings etc.) > Even if you have every reason to think these panels didn't go far enough, at > least it gets the conversation about it started. 4. You are free to do as is your will. Go for it. Go on, stop spewing bullshit on this list and start doing something about it. Stop some people on the street and tell them what Uncle Sam is doing to them. Go ahead if that is what you believe will work. I'm sure your cable company has a public access channel, why no go on that? > Also, I like to give out the link to the EU STOA report on Echelon on John's > site, particlarly part 4/4: it's a little hard to dismiss representatives of > the European Parliament as a bunch of nutjobs. Just giving people these facts > about sheer technological capacity is worth far more than all the hot air I > could ever blow about it. Conjecture can take a back seat. Do it. Don't tell me what you would like me to do. Do it yourself. Set the example. So far on this list we've had lots of "things that Faustine thinks" should be, or works of others that Faustine doesn't like. Fuck that noise. > Likewise, I once knew an engineer who literally said, "I've heard about this > Tempest stuff but I just don't know how much of it is true." So I gave him a > link to the documents at the Cryptome Tempest archive and he could judge for > himself. It worked, now he takes it seriously instead of relying on nebulous > internet hype. Cryptome.org is so valuable, just getting people to read it is a > public service in itself. Good for you. That's one example. Keep doing it. And no, I couldn't give a shit. I don't want to hear how many sheep you've woken out of their slumber. I'm not here to have you tell me what to do, nor to give you credit for the things you've done. You're not getting an A from me. You're not in my class, and I'm not your professor. Your reputation capital in my book so far is going into the negative. -- ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. 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