On Sunday 02 March 2003 06:04 am, N Smethurst wrote:
> Informal questionnaires like this are
> always going to attract replies from proactive individuals who have a
> specific interest in pushing whatever the questionnaire is talking about.

True, but in this case the majority of respondents have been nonChristian, and 
the package started life a Christian-only.

> Out of all the replies, almost all of them have been from people who follow
> some type of religion. It's important to take this into account.

You follow some type of religion, I guess. If it's `no-religion,' then it's 
really a religion called `Atheism'. To call that non-religious would be like 
saying zero is not a number, savvy?

The alternative `no-religion' is `no-particular-religion,' and the name for 
that is Agnosticism. An agnostic, by definition, cannot exclude religion.

> Unfortunately, this goes against much of the grain of Christianity,
> which grew largely due to the activities of missionaries "converting"
> people. It could be construed that the inclusion of specialist software
> such as this would be the start of such a mission.

The project page itself states that this is its goal. However, I would refuse 
to exclude software on solely religious grounds becasue that would make me 
*exactly* the same kind of despot as those allegedly Christian missionaries 
who `converted' people by force or guile.

The software is also very useful as a study framework for non-religious 
material. Try it and see. I would specifically include it for that reason. If 
you still have a problem with that approach, can I strongly suggest the Open 
Source approach: publish nonChristian modules for use with it.

ThML inherits from XML, so it shouldn't be too hard to find texts that require 
almost no massaging to fit.

For example, if you have a paper copy of /The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress/ 
(Robert Heinlein) to hand, email a scan of the copyright page to show me that 
you own the right to use it, and I'll whisk a Sword module for it back your 
way. You can't get much more Atheist than Heinlein or Clarke. (-:

> I'm afraid that my view on the inclusion of religion based software tools
> into a distribution such as Mandrake is not a positive step.

If we were shipping texts as well, I would agree (unless we shipped texts for 
a variety of religions, hopefully including Atheism).

> It would be
> far better to set up a non-official Mandrake supporters web site for
> religious software, where the users are responsible for the maintenance of
> a set of RPMs that install correctly on each distribution of Mandrake that
> is released.

Actually, it's much simpler than that. Such a site would simply 
Mandrake-package and provide a URPMI interface for the modules, which could 
be done with a script. Having the main package in the distro proper would 
help to ensure the uniformity of such content packages.

Cheers; Leon


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