> > We don't have guidelines for rpm,
>
> We do, it's just not updated.

The mdk-rpm howto could be more precise. We can do rpms with this, of course, 
but, I have always found not-so-easy rpm. I had to figure by myself by 
loooking at others spec.

> > no information is given on how to become
> > mainteners.
>
> The information is correct (mail lenny, mail lenny, mail lenny ;-)). The
> problem is there is no real procedure that is reliable.

Well, I have send some spec files, they were included, but, since he didn't 
send me feedback, I assumed he was very busy, and was too shy to ask him.

> > Of course, there is some IRC channels ( not docuemented on website ), and
> > this mailling list, but, I think that some thing, such as RPM related
> > question are out of topic here.
>
> non-basic rpm questions are not off-topic here, since they often impact on
> how something is pacakged ...

Well, and , what about best practices ?
Some question on how to write a init script who look like a mandrake one.
Last time I have done it, it was retro-engineered from others script ( and 
maybe that is why the package is not in contribs ( p0f-1.8.2.2-1mdk.src.rpm ) 
)

> > Austin and others have done a wonderful work, once they organized by
> > themselves, with the survey of the Linux Audio Users Groug.
>
> You miss of course some of the work Austin and others do on the Mandrake
> Club (on the club-volunteers list).

Not a club member, sorry.

> I think it may also be feasible to break some of this down into
> sub-projects. Kernel/hardware, networking (devices, firewalls etc),
> servers, end-user general, kde, gnome, other desktops, authentication,
> laptops etc.

You forget games ;-)

Yes, I agree. But, this will take some time, IMHO.
What about Bugzilla ?
Each Bug should be forwarded to the appopriate maillings list, no ?
So, some kind of filter and categorization should be done before.

And,what do you think about -support list and -devel list ?
A laptop support list could be interesting, on the other hand, kernel should 
be only devel, no ?

> > I think we should at least have a mailling list to discuss about
> > packaging. The pb, the best practices, and so on.
>
> maintainers may be the best for this, but it's not advertised, and it's
> currently pretty low traffic ...

Not advertised. Like a secret society ;-)
And, if I remember, you can only post if you have '@linux-mandrake.com' adress 
?

> I would think this is a good idea. Austin noted somewhere else that
> web-based solutions are not as efficient (though they are more visible) as
> MLs.

We can have both, to benefit of the best of the 2 world.
Same as bugzilla.

-- 

Micka�l Scherer


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