I've been following this thread for a little while and find that the true
saving grace in the
whole thing is MandrakeUpdate. Since all the ISO mirror's are full I was
able to use the
update program to download all the newer rpm's from the final 7.2 archive
and install
them. I assume that a person purchasing a boxed version from Walmart will
be able to
do the same. If anyone has noticed, Redhat 7.0 has had quite a few
updates posted
around the Linux online community. Unfortunately, to the best of my
knowledge they
require money in order to use the Redhat update utility.
Mandrake allows all users to use their update utility regardless of the
method of getting
Linux-Mandrake, be it in a store or off the web.
Mandrake is still the distribution that I recommend the most.
Scott Chevalley
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Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
>
> Jason Straight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> [...]
>
> > No, that's totally missing the point. That's what we do with Microsoft
> > and why we chose linux in the first place. I like Mandrake, and I've
> > used about every computer OS and distro ever made and Mandrake 7.2
gives
> > me more of what I ever wanted than anything I have ever used, and
> > consumers trying to voice opinion's to help preserve the goodness that
> > is Mandrake-Linux shouldn't be told Fuck it. If I didn't care what
>
> I told you that because I'm very angry that everyone on this list and on
> the forum keep saying that we lied, that we are selling the rc1 which is
> WORSE than final which is available for free.
>
> Our point is that, OKAY the download edition is overally better than the
> retail version.. BECAUSE WE HAD TIME TO PUT IN THE 2.0 OF KDE2.
>
> Unfortunately we COULD NOT do that for retail version in time. Who do
you
> want to blame? Us? kde2 team?..
>
> Real naming scheme is: retail version is final 7.2 ; download version is
> final 7.2 with updates such as kde 2.0 final.
>
> The retail version, that was once put on the ftp sites for free as rc1,
is
> a GOOD version, and it's 99% close to the one that you find now for free
> as Download Edition of 7.2. Its name is now final 7.2, because Release
> Candidates are "candidates to become the official release". Nothing more
> nothing less!!
>
> In the European version, because it's a bit more expensive due to phone
> support included, we even include a free update for kde2 final, sent on
> CD's to every customers who will have bought the retail version. In the
US
> unfortunately the product priced $25 is too cheap to permit that, so we
> have to hope that the free downloads from MandrakeUpdate will please
> customers.
>
> [...]
>
> > I realize you have deadlines to meet and people to pay - like I said
in
> > my other post I used to be a manager of Wal-Mart, so I know when it
> > comes to running a business that in reality the $ does come first. If
> > you have no $'s you have no people, and if you have no people you have
> > no product to get $'s.
>
> But not to the point to release a bad product and lie to the customers.
>
> > But when it comes to the products image being jeopardized I hope you
> > guys made the right decision. Hopefully there won't be a big stink
about
>
> A point to clear: not MY nor developpers' decision here. I'm just taking
> time here to put up some explanations, because I'm feeling really sad
that
> you all guys on this list begin to consider us as lyers and bad
> customers-related behaviour company..
>
> > the fact that the shelf version that people fork out $25 for isn't as
> > good as the version they can dl for free. Next time around you might
>
> I heard that this has been the case for Redhat for long. In real world,
> the version on the net can be updated in 5 seconds, the one on the
shelves
> in 6 months if you consider WalMart.
>
> So how could the retail version be newer/better? That's simply
impossible,
> and our best customer support is to put the final kde2 version on the
> download edition; think about it: we could have put the kde-1.99 in the
> download edition to prevent from such comparisons with the retail
version.
> We simply could't provide such a bad service to our users, just because
> time schedule is missing a couple of weeks! It was possible to put
kde-2.0
> final in 7.2 on the web so we put the update in the version.
>
> Only solution to have boxes in time was to put the 1.99 which IS a good
> version, and you have the updates.. I can't explain better..
>
> > In the future maybe a different versioning system would help alleviate
this
> > also. 7.00 might be on the shelf at Wal-Mart while 7.01 on ftp. At
least
> > something on the box so no one can claim they were lied to.
>
> No because in that case WalMart could not have the 7.01 and customers
> would ask for it..
>
> --
> Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft
> http://us.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
i am running a Dell 150M 64 M ram 3G hdd 56k modem.
OS = Mandrake Beta 7.2-3 upgraded from Beta 2 hasn't crashed yet.
i am 68 yrs old and a disgusted windows user til 1-2000.
i've had bugs in KDE :
kpackage - replaced with old packge works
many button's failed used menu works
all else has worked fine great job!!
i buy disks from lsl.com as downloading 56k would be dumb.
would love to donate to Mandrake.
i have tried Caldera and RedHat, with not enough control in
Caldera.
RedHat doesn't like my modified system. keep up the good work!!
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change is inevitable
