(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[0]OT[9x15 byo-yomi]
PW[Zen19D]PB[need9d]WR[5d]BR[4d]DT[2011-11-03]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Zen19D [5d\]: GTP Engine for Zen19D (white): Zen version 8.3bd9
need9d [4d\]: have a nice game!
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[jj]BL[15]OB[9]
;W[dd]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: need is a marksman witha quick trigger
]
;B[pp]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[dp]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[pd]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: work that center yeah
Ootakamoku [2d\]: or he does like me and uses a script to get the game
]
;W[qn]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[cf]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: what do you mean oota
]
;W[fd]WL[15]OW[9]C[need9d [4d\]: lets see:)
]
;B[np]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[ck]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[qi]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[qf]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[cn]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[nc]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[fq]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[eo]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[oe]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: awesome balance
]
;W[qc]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[cq]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[er]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ob]BL[15]OB[8]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: break mirror
]
;W[lq]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[hc]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[mo]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: mess with bots circuitry
]
;B[ge]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[ne]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[fo]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[fn]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[nf]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[me]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[go]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: with center stone it's black's game?
]
;W[ph]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[dl]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[dk]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[pi]BL[15]OB[8]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: doesnt have to be
]
;W[oh]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[el]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: this is cool can we skip ahead 200 moves please
]
;W[ic]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[kq]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[kr]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ib]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[oi]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ek]BL[15]OB[8]C[ecafrekop [16k\]: w still sente
]
;W[jb]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[jr]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[ch]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ql]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[jq]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[jc]BL[15]OB[8]C[Loop [3k\]: B always tenuki
]
;W[id]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[kp]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[ir]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[kb]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[jp]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[jd]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[ie]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ko]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[hb]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[lr]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[js]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ja]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[lc]WL[15]OW[9]C[need9d [4d\]: feel your power baby!
]
;B[hq]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[gn]WL[15]OW[9]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b desperate enough for a win to play black mane go
]
;B[mf]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[of]WL[15]OW[9]C[gogonuts [4d\]: pathetic
]
;B[en]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[hn]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[lf]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[dn]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: so why are we wasting our time watching
]
;B[pf]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[og]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[em]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[co]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[qe]BL[15]OB[8]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: because zen will probably win
]
;W[rf]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[bn]BL[15]OB[8]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: and then we get to laugh at black
]
;W[bo]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[re]BL[15]OB[8]C[gogonuts [4d\]: it would humor me if zen could find a way :-)
purp [4k\]: and so shouldn't be seen now?
]
;W[mp]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[gd]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[gc]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[mq]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[nq]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[fc]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[hd]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: it's impossible to know i know
]
;B[lp]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[op]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ed]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[fe]WL[15]OW[9]C[gogonuts [4d\]: but it hasnt been specifically  programed against mirror go
]
;B[no]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: so the question is where is . . . where will the last stone be placed?
]
;W[mn]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[gf]BL[15]OB[8]C[gogonuts [4d\]: its not important enough
]
;W[oo]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ee]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[ff]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[nn]BL[15]OB[8]C[gogonuts [4d\]: real matches are always with komi
]
;W[oq]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ec]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[fg]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[nm]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[mm]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[gg]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[fh]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[nl]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[km]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ig]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[jg]WL[15]OW[9]C[Jeromin [9k\]: need9d just created the account to play this bot, apparently
Naphthalin [10k?\]: what is b doing?
]
;B[jm]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[jl]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[jh]BL[15]OB[8]C[gogonuts [4d\]: playing b mirror go
]
;W[kf]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[in]BL[15]OB[8]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: he should know that everyone who does this will be banned from playing Zen
]
;W[lg]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[hm]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[ho]WL[15]OW[9]C[gogonuts [4d\]: is that so?
]
;B[le]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[jn]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: why so nap
Naphthalin [10k?\]: yes
]
;B[jf]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[je]WL[15]OW[9]C[gogonuts [4d\]: that sounds fair :-)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and how do you enforce that ban?
]
;B[jo]BL[15]OB[8]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: because you could beat everyone by that
]
;W[im]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[kg]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[ke]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[io]BL[15]OB[8]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: Zen is here not for fun but for research
Jeromin [9k\]: the bot is part of a research projcet on AI, not sure mirror go helps
]
;W[hl]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[lh]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: it's just a game and just a bot
purp [4k\]: chill out
]
;W[mg]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[gm]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[hp]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ld]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[md]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: i mean. . .please
]
;B[gp]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[fm]WL[15]OW[9]C[gogonuts [4d\]: but there not putting it here for mirror go
]
;B[ng]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[mh]WL[15]OW[9]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: jup
]
;B[gl]BL[15]OB[8]C[gogonuts [4d\]: they could test that themselves
]
;W[gk]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[mi]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[nh]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: there must still be lessons and entertainment
]
;B[fl]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: is that bad?
]
;W[ip]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[kd]BL[15]OB[8]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: the point is
]
;W[kc]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[iq]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[jr]WL[15]OW[9]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: the owner pays something for having this bot run
]
;B[jb]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[lb]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[hr]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[cl]WL[15]OW[9]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: you can be banned from zen by smaller reasons
]
;B[qh]BL[15]OB[8]C[Jeromin [9k\]: not just a bot, part of a PhD research. 
]
;W[pj]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[dj]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: i see your point if it happened all the time
]
;W[ej]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: but then why would someone do that
]
;B[oj]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: just to get higher rank?
]
;W[ok]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ei]BL[15]OB[8]C[Jeromin [9k\]: how does one defeat a mirror Go weaker opponent anyway?
gogonuts [4d\]: its probaly happening less now :-)
]
;W[fj]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[nj]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[qg]WL[15]OW[9]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: his rank is strongly connected to Zen
gogonuts [4d\]: yes, people are rank-happy :-)
need9d [4d\]: close game:D
]
;B[cm]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[qk]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ci]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[an]WL[15]OW[9]C[gogonuts [4d\]: the main problem is chines rules
]
;B[sf]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: anyone who has the name needs more than what i already am has probably got rank issues
]
;W[li]WL[15]OW[9]C[gogonuts [4d\]: they make tengen worth a point
]
;B[hk]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[il]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[kh]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[nk]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[fi]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: or other issues
]
;W[gi]WL[15]OW[9]C[gogonuts [4d\]: under japanese rules strict b mane wont work when giving 0.5 komi
]
;B[mk]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[lj]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[hj]BL[15]OB[8]C[pkunzip [3d\]: :}
]
;W[gj]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[mj]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[ml]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[gh]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[eh]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ol]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[pk]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[di]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[hi]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[lk]BL[15]OB[8]C[Jeromin [9k\]: weird the SE
purp [4k\]: when the meat mind becomes a robot
]
;W[kk]WL[15]OW[9]C[ecafrekop [16k\]: here we go
]
;B[ii]BL[15]OB[8]C[gogonuts [4d\]: the only way to still lose is to somehow lose tengen
purp [4k\]: cool
]
;W[ha]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: center rules
]
;B[ls]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[hh]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ll]BL[15]OB[8]C[gogonuts [4d\]: once tengen is absolutely safe i dont think anything can be done
]
;W[lm]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[hg]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[bf]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[rn]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[rk]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: so now all four corners are filled and back to center?
]
;B[bi]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: we can see it now eh?
]
;W[dh]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[pl]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[rm]WL[15]OW[9]C[need9d [4d\]: should i play l10?:)
]
;B[bg]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[bh]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[rl]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[be]WL[15]OW[9]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: l10 does look kinda big
]
;B[ro]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[qm]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[cg]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[ai]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[sk]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[bj]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[rj]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: you should resign in good faith to our species
gogonuts [4d\]: i was rooting for the human in the other games
]
;W[cj]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[qj]BL[15]OB[8]C[gogonuts [4d\]: but here i hope something bad happens to him
FreshTooth [2k\]: 'אכ
FreshTooth [2k\]: wtf
]
;W[ka]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: ooh gogo i like you
]
;B[is]BL[15]OB[8]C[FreshTooth [2k\]: lol
]
;W[kj]WL[15]OW[9]C[FreshTooth [2k\]: what an exchange
]
;B[ij]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[pb]WL[15]OW[9]C[st21 [-\]: lol
]
;B[dr]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[ih]WL[15]OW[9]C[st21 [-\]: what are hells is that
]
;B[kl]BL[15]OB[8]C[st21 [-\]: xD
FreshTooth [2k\]: b may win
antiriad [?\]: wow Zen is back?
]
;W[jk]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ji]BL[15]OB[8]C[gogonuts [4d\]: j10 was extremely lazy
]
;W[dq]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: black's gonna lose
gogonuts [4d\]: no thinking by b at all
]
;B[pc]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: again!
]
;W[mr]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[gb]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[hc]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[lq]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[rq]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[bc]BL[15]OB[8]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: w could win
]
;W[cc]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[qq]BL[15]OB[8]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: if b doesn't look
purp [4k\]: i think so too
]
;W[qr]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[cb]BL[15]OB[8]C[gogonuts [4d\]: yeah, wj9, b L11 :-)
]
;W[bb]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[rr]BL[15]OB[8]C[FreshTooth [2k\]: wait a sec
FreshTooth [2k\]: b is copying w
]
;W[rs]WL[15]OW[9]C[need9d [4d\]: dont play l11 pls
Naphthalin [10k?\]: lol fresh
]
;B[ba]BL[15]OB[8]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: b is playing mirror go
Naphthalin [10k?\]: loooooooooooool
]
;W[db]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: welcome to the world fresh
]
;B[pr]BL[15]OB[8]C[purp [4k\]: since move three
]
;W[ca]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[qs]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[qp]WL[15]OW[9]C[FreshTooth [2k\]: haha
]
;B[cd]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[pq]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: the kibitz has been far more intersting than the game
FreshTooth [2k\]: but
FreshTooth [2k\]: there is 0.5 komi
]
;B[dc]BL[15]OB[8]C[FreshTooth [2k\]: haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaa
]
;W[bd]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[rp]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[rb]WL[15]OW[9]C[gogonuts [4d\]: but tengen is worth a point
]
;B[br]BL[15]OB[8]C[gogonuts [4d\]: chinese rules
]
;W[cb]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[qr]BL[15]OB[8]C[FreshTooth [2k\]: holy cow
]
;W[sg]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[am]BL[15]OB[8]C[anicca [1d\]: haha
]
;W[se]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ao]BL[15]OB[8]C[FreshTooth [2k\]: then b won
FreshTooth [2k\]: nicely done
]
;W[ds]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[pa]BL[15]OB[8]C[gogonuts [4d\]: not entirely clear
]
;W[cr]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: yes cuz he neeeeeds 9d so bad
st21 [-\]: jaja
]
;B[qb]BL[15]OB[8]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: if comes to the end
st21 [-\]: crazy xD
gogonuts [4d\]: notice J9,L11 pair
Naphthalin [10k?\]: and w plays l11
]
;W[he]WL[15]OW[9]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: b has to pass
Naphthalin [10k?\]: so +0.5 for w
]
;B[lo]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[sd]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ap]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[bq]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[rc]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[rd]WL[15]OW[9]C[anicca [1d\]: J0, L11, this would be funny
Naphthalin [10k?\]: i hope for exactly that^^
ecafrekop [16k\]: how many moves left u guess?
]
;B[bp]BL[15]OB[8]C[gogonuts [4d\]: wouldnt it be sad for b to lose *and* get banned?
]
;W[hf]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ln]BL[15]OB[8]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: :D
anicca [1d\]: why get banned?
]
;W[qd]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[cp]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[ar]WL[15]OW[9]C[gogonuts [4d\]: because the bot isnt her for mirror go
Naphthalin [10k?\]: because mirror go doesn't help the researches of zen
FreshTooth [2k\]: why sad?
]
;B[sb]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[do]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: once in a while is alright comeon just a game
]
;B[pe]BL[15]OB[8]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: sad -> because you play mirror go to win
]
;W[sc]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[aq]BL[15]OB[8]C[ajahuang [6d\]: why not
]
;W[ia]WL[15]OW[9]C[purp [4k\]: researches have got to figure something else out then. . .
]
;B[ks]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[bs]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[ra]BL[15]OB[8]C[ajahuang [6d\]: mirror is part of Go
]
;W[dm]WL[15]OW[9]C[gogonuts [4d\]: its not urgentz
Minirock [1d?\]: it's totally following the rule... even the rules listed in zen's info
]
;B[pg]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[bq]WL[15]OW[9]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: but mirror go is a completely different game
gogonuts [4d\]: because it doesnt work in komi games
]
;B[rc]BL[15]OB[8]C[anicca [1d\]: there is not rule saying that mirroring is forbidden
]
;W[an]WL[15]OW[9]
;B[sf]BL[15]OB[8]
;W[ik]WL[15]OW[9]C[Naphthalin [10k?\]: i say w+0.5
anicca [1d\]: gaghaha
Naphthalin [10k?\]: yeah
pkunzip [3d\]: haha
st21 [-\]: finally
]
;B[kn]BL[15]OB[8]C[st21 [-\]: l6
Naphthalin [10k?\]: j14
anicca [1d\]: hmm
anicca [1d\]: :)
FreshTooth [2k\]: meh
Ootakamoku [2d\]: lol
anicca [1d\]: haha
anicca [1d\]: wha a game
need9d [5d\]: :)))
purp [4k\]: booooooooooooooo
purp [4k\]: thx
DOCTOR3 [?\]: lol
Minirock [1d?\]: zen suicided :o
need9d [5d\]: i hope u were having fun
gogonuts [4d\]: no
Naphthalin [10k?\]: and i hope you get banned
Naphthalin [10k?\]: for sure
gogonuts [4d\]: play real go
Ootakamoku [2d\]: well, atleast zen made you break mirror!
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
need9d [5d\]: it wasnt easy to play mirror game really
Ootakamoku [2d\]: moracl victory for the bot
Naphthalin [10k?\]: definitely
need9d [5d\]: moral victory for a bot lol
anicca [1d\]: haha
anicca [1d\]: that ws funny
need9d [5d\]: interesting is he will p-lay the same moves next time?:)
iceweasel [?\]: thanks, Naphthalin
])
