On 7/8/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 7/6/07, Phil Steitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So my proposal is that any ASF committer who wishes to become a
> commons committer just needs to make that request here on the
> commons-dev mailing list and they will granted karma for both commons
> proper and commons sandbox. Expectation is of course that ASF
> committers joining the commons will "behave"
> (http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/JakartaCommonsEtiquette).
Obviously I'm +1 on making it easier.
<snip/>
I will try to dispel this particular "making it easier" and "openness" myth :-)
* I don't think its hard in the first place (unless someone doesn't
care to try, but then they probably don't care enough anyway).
* There is a difference between sandbox and proper. Sandbox is open
to all ASF committers with the intent that new ideas should be allowed
to flourish at minimal starter costs.
* Released components can (potentially, hah!) have direction and
roadmaps. Its not the same as sandbox.
* My personal opinion after our similar experiment at Jakarta is that
this sort of thing is good to flaunt in theory.
* Finally, I'm not saying we need to get existing ASF committers to
supply n number of patches before we can nominate them etc. All I'm
saying is IMO this is important enough for the health of the community
to be done on a case by case basis.
As far as behaving - the
solution is that the quiet majority have to step up and yell if
someone is being a rude ****.
<snap/>
Somewhat late, much damage is done. Ofcourse, its not possible to
guarantee this will never happen as we operate today, but IMO the
chances are smaller.
We've a bit of a technical issue on it; it's quite easy to show up and
if a component is in a lull, to charge in and make sweeping changes.
The release is a point where we can nip that in the bud, but that's a
long time after lots of work.
<snip/>
Yup.
So I think something I would be looking for when someone wants to hop
in is that there is an active commons committer managing the component
they're about to commit to.
<snap/>
Agreed, note the current modus operandi sort of helps with that too.
Other than that, I believe in as open a
door as possible.
<snip/>
Me too, as long as there is a door :-)
-Rahul
Hen
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