Mike, Could you link the StrangeLoop video ?
Geraldo On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:55:29 PM UTC-3, Mike Thompson wrote: > On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 10:19:05 AM UTC+11, Jane Dampney wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 10:52:23 PM UTC+11, Mike Thompson wrote: > > > A Reagent Framework For Writing SPAs, in ClojureScript. > > > > > > README and source code: https://github.com/Day8/re-frame > > > > > > "Derived data, flowing" in a two-stage, FRP loop. > > > > > > Absolutely no Cursors!! > > > > > > > Wow! No Cursors, indeed. > > > > Really well thought out, and nicely explained. > > > > Appears similar to https://github.com/evancz/elm-architecture-tutorial > > but not the same. I like the use of middleware and love the possibility of > > using statecharts. > > > > Indeed, Elm was an inspiration. As was the terrific Hoplon, which doesn't > get nearly enough praise. > > We all know that immutable data let's you manage "time" better, right? We're > able to ignore (isolate ourselves from) the effect of time on data. > > FRP is another dimension in the same process. FRP allows us to model the > "flow" of data over "time". It allows us to manage the process of producing > "Derived Data" (materialised views) over time. Again, it is all about doing > the "time/data” thing better. > > That was a big learning for me (I worry that everyone else already knows this > already, and I'm just very late to the party). > > Perhaps the biggest moment for me was seeing Pete Hunt (Facebook) talking at > reactconf. In his talk, he referenced a particular StrangeLoop video, > mentioning how it had had a big influence on the way Facebook looked at > things these days, and then he talked about how it was all about "Derived > Data". > > When I watched the video, a small nuclear explosion went off in the back of > mind. The penny suddenly dropped for me about FRP. > > At that point, I suddenly understood what I had been trying to achieve with > re-frame, and why I found it so pleasing to work with. It all made sense. > > The key thing for me is: JUST. DON'T. USE. CURSORS. There I said it. They > appear convenient, I know. They are a way of achieving reference > transparency, I know. But I think they are a “local optimum”. Their use > seems to get in the way of a more important data flow paradigm and they seem > to encourage "control" into all the wrong places (components). At least > that's my experience (I did try to love them, really I did :-)). > > I know this is a controversial opinion within ClojureScript right now. OM has > such an overwhelming mindshare. David is a very compelling and important > character. > > Anyway, I'll finish off the todomvc over the weekend. That will make re-frame > a bit more real and easy to Grok. > > -- > Mike -- Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ClojureScript" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojurescript.
