Hey Ramon,
Back when I started coding my project ~6 months ago, I couldn't run
Torquebox successfully in Heroku nor Openshift. I read about the Torquebox
Lite project, but you loose most of the Torquebox magic.
I know now, you can get the full Torquebox stack - {Stomp server &
Clustering} running on Heroku, but I wouldn't know how big can they scale,
since the dyno/gear RAM is quite limited. From experience, I've experience
that Torquebox with background jobs and messaging queues, can be quite RAM
demanding on my development environment, I wouldn't know how it performs on
a Heroku dyno. I also read tons of issues regarding Heroku's intelligent
routing, back when I was looking for a hosting solution. So I finally opted
for a VPS solution, which does need extra setup (compared to Heroku
deployment), but having the extra CPU power +RAM, and running Torquebox
with all it's bells and whistles running, was well worth loosing Heroku's
perks.
- Rodrigo
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:26:55 PM UTC-6, Ramon Long wrote:
>
> Rodrigo,
>
> Have you looked at hosting your JVM-based solution with Clojure and jRuby
> on Heroku?
>
> -Ramon
>
> On Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:59:56 PM UTC-4, rdelcueto wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for your response Jim.
>> Is there any alternative solution to Openshift that supports the TB and
>> Immutant combo, that you recommend?
>>
>> On Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:47:14 PM UTC-5, Jim Crossley wrote:
>>>
>>> Unfortunately not, Rodrigo. Frankly, TorqueBox on OpenShift is not a
>>> very happy experience, mostly due to bundler and very limited resources on
>>> the free OpenShift gears. Until we get those issues worked out, I don't
>>> want to encourage anyone to combine TB and Immutant on OpenShift.
>>>
>>> Also, we're kinda in a wait-and-see mode while the OpenShift guys
>>> integrate Docker, as container images should be a lot easier to work with
>>> than cartridges.
>>>
>>> So you're ahead of us at the moment. We expect to catch up, just not
>>> sure when.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 8:45 PM, rdelcueto <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Jim,
>>>>
>>>> I just began playing with Immutant and TorqueBox.
>>>> I realized the polyglot-openshift-quickstart* @ *GitHub is marked as
>>>> obsolete. I found links to newer versions of immutant-quickstart and
>>>> torquebox-quickstart, though as separate applications.
>>>> Is there documentation or a tutorial on how to get TorqueBox and
>>>> Immutant merged into a single OpenShift application, ala "lein immutant
>>>> overlay torquebox"?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, September 9, 2013 11:14:54 AM UTC-5, Jim Crossley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Rodrigo,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm one of the developers of TorqueBox and Immutant. Your email
>>>>> prompted me to re-watch a screencast [1] I made in March showing how to
>>>>> use
>>>>> them together. I realized things have changed a little since then, so I
>>>>> added a few annotations to the video highlighting the differences.
>>>>> Hopefully enough to get you up and experimenting.
>>>>>
>>>>> As you've probably figured out, both TorqueBox and Immutant are
>>>>> integrated stacks, bundling some commodity services that most non-trivial
>>>>> applications need, e.g. scheduling, caching, and messaging. The intent of
>>>>> any integrated platform is to relieve administration burden. But that
>>>>> only
>>>>> works for you if the inherent choices within that stack fit the needs of
>>>>> your app. We think/hope default Immutant configuration and abstractions
>>>>> (e.g. queues, topics, request/respond) offers a good balance to fit a
>>>>> wide
>>>>> variety of apps.
>>>>>
>>>>> If simple integration between Ruby and Clojure apps is your chief
>>>>> goal, I think Immutant/TorqueBox is compelling, but I'm biased. I would
>>>>> definitely recommend using some sort of messaging broker, though, i.e.
>>>>> don't mix Clojure and Ruby in the same source file or project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Performance and security concerns are so application-specific I hate
>>>>> to make any generic statements about them other than, "be fast and
>>>>> secure".
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> But do feel free to bother us in #torquebox or #immutant on freenode
>>>>> with any questions about your particular app/needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://immutant.org/news/2013/03/07/overlay-screencast/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:25 PM, rdelcueto <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> I'm about to start working on building a site for a startup company.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are a small team, and currently they've been coding the site using
>>>>>> RoR (Ruby on Rails). I was thinking Clojure might be better suited for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> task, specially because we'll need to implement a backend which is
>>>>>> robust,
>>>>>> scalable and secure, but also we'll need flexibility, which I think the
>>>>>> RoR
>>>>>> framework won't shine at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At our team, we are two coders, non of us are proficient in Web
>>>>>> Developing, and we have little experience with RoR, and I thought (I'm
>>>>>> sure) maybe investing time learning Clojure will provide us with better
>>>>>> tools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PROBLEM/QUESTION
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While searching for alternative solutions, I stumbled upon the
>>>>>> Flightcaster case, we're they are using RoR to implement the site's
>>>>>> frontend and Clojure for the system backend. I thought this was a very
>>>>>> elegant solution, using each tool for what it's good at. Plus this way
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> can reuse what they've already implemented.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found a way to do this is by using Torquebox and Immutant, and
>>>>>> using the messaging systems to communicate between Jruby and Clojure.
>>>>>> Still
>>>>>> I have no idea of how this works, and the performance and security
>>>>>> implications it brings to the table. I found little information on the
>>>>>> subject.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would appreciate if anyone could provide guidance, examples or
>>>>>> documentation on the subject.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any reference to open source projects which use this hybrid language
>>>>>> solutions on the JVM would be great to have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this the best way to solve the RoR interactions? Is there any
>>>>>> other way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance and best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rodrigo
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