Indeed - I was using a community-edition intellij setup the other day, and only realised when I went to edit some JavaScript, and found some features missing (like code indenting).
We use intellij (mostly) in our team at work, and I use emacs (mostly) at home. My current take on this endless debate: Intellij is ok. For multi-language projects it's probably still the best option - it does a great job with Java, JavaScript, html, css. The clojure support, with the leiningen plugin, works most of the time - with a few hassles: - jump to definition breaks sometimes, especially if you use "use" or "require :all" - for some reason it can understand prefixed namespaces a lot better. - indenting isn't nearly as good as emacs - it doesn't use a long-running repl for tasks like compilation, so you have to wait for the clojure startup a lot; every time you re-run tests for example. - a few language features break their parser - inine bigdecimals for a start, adding "0.01M" tends to break syntax highlighting - you have to use the leiningen plugin to sync up your project dependencies, and manually re-sync when things change - the leiningen plugin breaks if you have more than one clojure module in a project - not a problem for everyone, but very annoying for us! Emacs is powerful, and fast (not sure where the "bloat" comments come from, it takes less than 3 seconds to load on my MacBook Pro, and that's usually once per session, so I don't care much. However, it has a horrible learning curve - I'm past the worst of it, but it's a struggle to learn, and only something you'd do if you are keen. Fine for the solo developer, but not much good for a team, especially in a consulting situation - I can't go to the client company's developers and say "here's this awesome new language to use - oh, and you also need to learn emacs..." :-} Also Emacs sucks for Java development, and isn't nearly as good as Intellij for JavaScript, html, and css. I also miss all the nice things you get from a real gui - graphical diff markings, subtle ui indicators for VCS changes, tooltips that pop up; and mostly I really miss having a tree-view of the project when I'm working in emacs - speedbar is a very very poor replacement! Sublime, last time I tried, had a very nice UI and a great plugin system - but the clojure stuff seemed fairly broken. I couldn't get the repl to work properly; I'm glad to hear it's working now. Does it support autcompletion, and jumping to a symbol's definition (and back again)? Those didn't seem to be there last time, and I'd struggle to live without them on a project of any size. CounterClockwise is nice - I tried it a few months back, and it seemed like a good environment - but Eclipse is ugly and painful to use compared to IntelliJ, and as my team is building a multi-language project, we can't avoid using the non-clojure bits. If I had a pure clojure project, in a team environment, I'd definitely consider it. - Korny On 26 July 2013 09:26, Colin Fleming <[email protected]> wrote: > Nope, it's perfectly functional as long as all you want is "basic" > functionality - Java, XML/XPath/XSLT, Git/SVN, Android, Maven/Ant, Groovy, > JUnit/TestNG and of course Clojure if you install La Clojure. If you want > any of the Enterprise Java stuff you have to go to the Ultimate edition. > Probably the most obviously missing thing is HTML/Javascript support. > > > On 26 July 2013 11:18, Cedric Greevey <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Colin Fleming < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Laurent is correct - both the IntelliJ community edition and La Clojure >>> are Apache licensed. >>> >>> >>> On 26 July 2013 11:02, Laurent PETIT <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Cedric, >>>> >>>> >> 1. On IntelliJ >>>> >> ----------------- >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Not free software. >>>> >>>> AFAICT, the "Community Edition" is free software, and all that is >>>> required to use Clojure. >>>> >>> >> Huh. That's news to me. The one time I evaluated IntelliJ, there was no >> sign of this. >> >> It isn't severely crippled, though, is it? >> >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- Kornelis Sietsma korny at my surname dot com http://korny.info .fnord { display: none !important; } -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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