On Saturday 09 June 2012 02:14:40 Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote: > Am Freitag, 8. Juni 2012, 01:42:41 schrieb C. Boemann: > > I'm sorry, but I think I also said it should be done individually and > > with discussions. > > I was not sure if the "not a single patch" was meant with regard to the > patch at which the discussion happened, so I just created list with all > tooltips where I saw an issue, to show how many there are. That list was > not meant as a patch-to-go, maybe "proposal" was still too strong. And the > whole description text not really well done :) Next time I will just go to > bed before pushing something not really completed. > Then, is reviewboard not used for discussions? It's pretty tough to discuss on review board yes, and for things like formulations it's even tough on ml.
> For now moving the discussion to this ml then. > > > (I so wish you would join us on irc) > > (And so do I. Not yet sure when I will be able to switch from this unstable > by-mobile net connection to a stable by-landline one :( ) :( > > A mass rename like this following a textbook pattern is just bad > > usability. Every text should be thought out on it's own. > > Sure, though patterns are also good to have, for less surprise and ease in > transfering knowledge :) Yes, it's not like we shouldn't have it in mind, it's just not good to follow it blindly > > Another thing to consider is that the tool tips are also used as titles > > in Words and Sheets, which means they should be short and concise and > > preferably start with the important word. > > Ah, missed that before, now see it, indeed something important. > Hm. So the KoToolFactoryBase::toolTip is actually a misnomer, it might > perhaps better be changed to KoToolFactoryBase::name/title? > > Or rather, should there perhaps be both a title and a tooltip? > > IMHO trying to have a single text serving for multiple purposes might be > the reason for the current state which IMHO is unsatisfying. Take e.g. > "Draw a path. Shift-mouseclick ends the path." > vs. > "Magnetic selection tool" > vs. > "Pan" Well the three examples are not used as titles so no it's not the reason, though it plays a part in others. We simply have a long history with no real effort to make good consistent tooltips. So your effort is needed, but it just takes much more than just a few mails About having two different strings. Yes I was thinking the same thing when I replied you. I think that would probably make sense. Not all would need both though. only the tools that are used by types of ui > For me all these different tooltip styles always gave a bad impression > about the tools. At least they made me think these tools are somehow > different in their behaviour or how they should be used. Or is that the > case? Well there is a difference beteen apps that have a canvas+toolbox metaphor, and those that have a more document+tasks metaphor > See me confused :) > > Ideally the tooltip (as in: real tooltip) could also give a short hint how > to use the tool, i.e. give a tip ;) Some do already a little, but then, as > said, this is not consistent. Yes that may be possible, but then again it shouldn't be a user manual either. I don't think "Shift-mouseclick ends the path" is a good thing to have in this tooltip. it should be short and concise allowing the user to make sense of the icon > Cheers > Friedrich _______________________________________________ calligra-devel mailing list calligra-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-devel
