On 11/21/2011 02:39 PM, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote:
On 21 November 2011 13:50, Pierre Stirnweiss<pstirnwe...@googlemail.com>  wrote:
1. Abacus  (Condorcet winner: wins contests with all other choices)
Even if it won the competition it is a bad choice as there is already a
spreadsheet application out there with this name. See
http://www.freebsdsoftware.org/deskutils/abacus.html

If there is already a spreadsheet application with this name, then this is
an absolute no-go for me. How would we feel if some other project was
developping an application suite with:
YetAnotherApplicationSuite Words: text processor
YAAS Stage: presentation
YAAS Kexi: DB
YAAS Krita: painting
If Kexi or Krita was dead already for 10+ years I see no problem and I
see n o reason why I'd have (and how?) to 'block' the name. Especially
that Kexi is a popular name in China.

My previous mail contains links which show that it's still in developement in 2011.

Come on, as we mentioned the project is abandonware now. Or maybe will
this move also hurt xabacus?
Even if yes or if the abacus spreadsheet was vital, I feel a need to
define limits to this 'correctness' and be consistent, see that Words
breaks the law too: equally 'popular' app (as the Abacus) is called
Words and yet it is _more_ alive: http://freecode.com/projects/words.
There is also http://freecode.com/projects/plan and
http://freecode.com/projects/spread.


At least in germany afaik there is a difference between "Eigennamen" and "common names" in use. So, you cannot trademark "Words" (and Microsoft cannot trademark "Word") but you can trademark the whole brand which is Calligra Words.

iirc that was even our explicit motivation. Means we liked to use common names giving an idea about the usage in the same way e.g. OO.org and iWork did and then trademark the common name Plan, Words, Stage, Tables use which is Calligra. So, just using "Tables" or "Words" is exactly not what we liked to have but they should always be named Calligra Words and Calligra Tables.

That is at least how I keeped it in memory. Maybe others understood it different?

In order to be nice one can ask given project maintainer(s) in subject
to see if they care. It's now turn of Tables contributors, also your,
Sebastian as through contributions you're obviously entitled to decide
while I was entitled to propose. So to be constructive I proposed (not
decided in any way) some option that somewhat match and can be spelt
correctly by most people.  Please do so and everyone will be happy
because the best way to pick a name is to hear it from contributor in
the first place. I am sorry for misunderstanding and using vote
instead of poll term.
I would like to start with defining the problem. That was greatly done through I personally do not 
agree with the result that a renaming is needed. I mean for the same reason we would need to rename 
Words cause ppl may confuse it with a "Count words" menu-item in Tables and we would need 
to rename Plan cause there may a "Planing resource" plugin.

Personally I agree 100% with Thorstens conclusion on this for the specific problem described with Kexi 
("Export to Tables"). Kexi should not use the applicaton-name but the format-name cause that 
menu-point does not only "Export to Calligra Tables" but does "Export to OpenDocument 
Spreadsheet" what includes OO.org/LO/MSOffice.

The problem that sometimes in the communication between us Calligra-Tables and tables-in-words are exchanged 
is not so easy to solve. I guess people will create bugreport writing "Tables not load" or will ask 
quesitons like "Why using tables crashes" (does he/she means Calligra Tables or using tables in 
Words?). That's indeed a problem that (Calligra) Tables maybe does not share with Words (thanks to the 
"s" at the end) or Stage.

*If* we agree that a rename is needed, then we could propose names. Personally I found "Spread" or 
"Spreads" not bad either. It fits the "common not-standalone name" idea while still being unique 
enough. But there are probably even better names that say something about the functionality Tables offers. So, 
something that makes clear it's about calculations, formulas, dealing with "numbers" (damn you Apple :-) and 
so on.

We could brainstorm a bit and create a list out of that. I think when we do so no voting 
is needed (was there one needed for the "Calligra" name?). I guess at the end 
people would agree that it's a good finding, be happy and unicorns would jump over 
rainbows.


_______________________________________________
calligra-devel mailing list
calligra-devel@kde.org
https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-devel

Reply via email to