Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
[bug-hurd removed, nothing to do with the Hurd]
[bug-hurd readded; I'm not really talking to Alfred here, but to everybody]
[...] Mr. Szmidt continues his perpetual stubornness.
The only stubbornness is from Thomas Schwinge who has to stick his nose into everything, I was already taking care of the issue of the nonexistant mail moderation for HurdExtras _before_ he sent his totally offtopic message to the HurdExtras mailing list (Manuel Mammel had already notified me of the issue). Having him stick his nose into the mess would just cause more work for me; hence the objection.
s/Mammel/Menal/.
The message Thomas replied to was cut into small bits and all you saw was a categorical `No' without a reason. The full message was: "I object to it. I have already spoken to Barry deFrasse to do it."
This is a lie. I sent a first email to you asking if you were still interested in hurdextras mailing list moderation on the 12th. You answered you hadn't enough time, so I suggested Thomas Schwinge might be fit for the job, since he already handles the other Hurd mailing lists. This is what you answered on the 13th : "I object to having Thomas Schwinge touch anything. I'll see with Barry deFrasse if he wants to do it." So, please don't go around saying that you'd already asked Barry to do it and Thomas had to stick his nose afterwards. I do not object to Barry being list admin, of course, but it was you who refused Thomas' proposal, and therefore made things difficult. As a side note, I want to relate a bit of my experience with Alfred and the frustration it caused. I have been lurking around the Hurd for quite a long time - writing translators/programs, helping people on IRC, making small contribs. Like many of us, Alfred behaviour had made me leave the #hurd channel for several years. I've only re-joined recently. I tried, at first, not to stop answering people on help-hurd etc. Last time I tried, Alfred just flamed me because I had not been clear enough to his liking. So, I stopped all participation on the MLs, too. As soon as Alfred was removed from bug-hurd, I came back on IRC and was glad to find useful and cheerful discussions, like in the old times before Alfred. I started contributing on the hurdextras project and was made a project co-admin (thanks to James, and thanks to Thomas too for his support). You'll note that I have not made a single contribution to `hurdextras' since Alfred popped up again, because I have been too busy answering his mails, trying to think of ways to avoid a flamewar, or most of the time because I did not want to think about the Hurd when it meant having to deal with Alfred. Unfortunately, I was not the only one to stop working on the Hurd because of Alfred. Michael has seen at least one french guy who was sending his questions and suggestions to our mailing lists rather than bug-hurd only to avoid Alfred. That's why I totally support Thomas. Not having Thomas on the Hurd would be a great loss - and I don't think I'd be really interested in contributing any more if he was to quit, or at least not as much. Thomas Bushnell also said:
What happens if we just ignore the HurdExtras project?
I'd like to avoid that. We already have a project, an history, patches there, a complete repository with several translators. I think we need a Savannah project for that, and I don't think Savannah admins are going to accept a "Hurdextras-without-ams" project while Hurdextras is still there. I'll try to see with the Savannah guys how and whom to ask for Alfred removal. P.S.: I'm sorry if this mail is difficult to read. I am not a native speaker and not used to such mails. Hoping to see you back really soon, Thomas! -- Manuel Menal _______________________________________________ Bug-hurd mailing list Bug-hurd@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-hurd
