On 11/5/18 8:44 PM, Great Big Dot wrote: > What's actually happening here is that the *indirection* expansion > "${!foo}", and not the *indices* expansion "${!foo[@]}", is what is being > preformed on something like "${!array[@]-}". Both expansions, while > unrelated, happen to use the same syntax, with the exception that > indirections apply to normal variables and index expansions apply to array > variables. For some reason, adding on the "${foo-default}" expansion causes > the former to be used instead of the latter.
The `some reason' is that the current behavior is documented and has been the way bash has worked since I added indirect expansion (bash-2.0) and the array keys expansion (bash-3.0). > This can be seen here: I'm going to use bash-4.4 for my explanation. > > $ array=(foo) > $ printf -- '%s\n' "${!foo[@]-unset}" > unset Of course. There is no variable "foo"; the indirect expansion results in a null string. > $ foo='hello world' > $ printf -- '%s\n' "${!foo[@]-unset}" > hello world (I don't get that result with any version of bash. I went back to bash-3.0 before I quit trying.) This is a case where bash is trying to be helpful, maybe more so than is desired. `foo' isn't an array variable, but the !foo[@] is first identified as a candidate for indirect expansion, then checked to see whether or not it is the entire expansion between ${ and }. Since it's not, it's not a candidate for array keys expansion (this is as documented). Since the array keys expansion isn't valid, the attempt to perform variable indirection holds. This is where the helpful part comes in. Bash variables can be referenced as arrays, even if they are not, using `0', `@', or `*' as subscripts. That means that foo[@] gets expanded into "hello world", which the shell tries to use as a variable name, resulting in: $ ../bash-4.4-patched/bash ./x16 ./x16: line 2: hello world: bad substitution The error message in bash-5.0 is a little better: $ ../bash-5.0-beta/bash ./x16 ./x16: line 2: hello world: invalid variable name >> This pattern of behavior is apparently unaffected by changes to IFS[...] > > Upon further examination, and in light of the above realization, this > actually isn't true. In particular, iff the first character of IFS is > alphanumeric or an underscore (or if IFS is the empty string), and if you > use the "${array[*]}" form instead, then the expansion doesn't throw an > error when the array contains more than one element. Sure, since a double-quoted expansion using `*' separates words using the first character of IFS. > $ foo_bar='Beto2018' > $ printf -- '%s\n' "${!array[*]-Warning: unset}" > Beto2018 Nice. Let's hope he pulls it off today. > Is there a good reason for treating "${!array[@]-}" and "${!array[*]-}" > like indirections instead of index expansions (or just throwing an error)? When I added array variables and the array keys expansion, I used the ksh93 syntax (${!var[sub]}) and tried to avoid conflict with the existing indirect expansion as much as possible (that was back when we still thought there was a chance that POSIX would standardize arrays and it was useful to have consistent implementations). The ksh93 expansion syntax made it invalid to use the array keys expansion as part of the ${param:-word} expansion, so that's how I made it work. Since it wasn't a candidate for that family of expansions, the existing variable indirection syntax controls. -- ``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer ``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates Chet Ramey, UTech, CWRU c...@case.edu http://tiswww.cwru.edu/~chet/