Seriously, Andreas, can you give us a break from the constant negativity?
Michael changed the subject line so as not to hijack the thread and posted
a very welcome and on-topic message with thanks, as well as signalling the
end of a topic. His message was positive, inclusive of his critics and in
no way deserves your continued defamatory insinuations. Please withdraw.

Sincerely,

Simon


On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 4:53 PM Andreas Mantke <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> always the same not appropriate behavior: capture a thread with a new
> subject.
>
> Am 10.06.22 um 11:51 schrieb Michael Meeks:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Paolo Vecchi wrote on 31.05.22 at 21:03:
> >> TDF to publish LibreOffice in the app stores, especially Apple and
> >> Microsoft. TDF will work to prepare LibreOffice for the app stores
> >> as soon as possible
> >
> >     As this era ends, I'd like to say how pleased we are at
> > Collabora to have been able to lead here - to have fronted the
> > significant initial investment needed to get LibreOffice into the Mac
> > sandbox, and app-store and to have got it done.
> >
> >     We made it easier for a large number of users to get
> > LibreOffice. Later on we charged for the convenience and re-invested
> > that into improving the Mac version up-stream, and also are pleased to
>
> this means that Collabora used money from the app store:
>
> a) to decide itself how and where to improve the source code for the Mac
> version (independent from TDF [board / community])
>
> b) to grow its staff and portray itself as the biggest service provider
> for the office suite.
>
> The whole email looks like a laudatory for lifework, but this is only
> framing. It should soften the real message and the frustration.
>
> > (...)
> >
> >     If the TDF board want to have a bigger packaging team, so be
> > it. Hopefully it will not negatively impact those who previously did
> > the work.
> >
> >     I am somewhat curious as to the budget impact here, and the
> > real scope of "app-store". In particularly how much time is this
> > expected to take away from areas such as CTL/RTL, CJK as well as other
> > things that we are hoping to address with targeted developers ?
> It looks like that there is no expectation that TDF in-house developers
> and staff will be able to work on source code beyond app-store needs.
> And the real message is: bad board decision, let the situation as it is
> now.
>
> And in the end it is a hidden complain about the removal of a source of
> income for companies.
>
> But the whole process with the app-store management was based on trust
> between TDF and the companies. And since the process about LOOL and the
> fork this trust was broken.
>
> It should be obvious now that such decisions could lead to 'unexpected'
> (for the doer) consequences in other areas.
>
> Regards,
> Andreas
>
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>

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*Simon Phipps*
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