Hi Lothar,

Genossenschaft is the German term, yes.

I can participate on the call but I would have to leave at 13:30 Berlin time 
for another appointment.

If the control of the entity is to remain under the TDF, it may not be 
applicable. A Genossenschaft is structured to be controlled by it's members. 
Typically the structure involves one member, one vote, however in 
multi-stakeholder co-operatives that voting structure can be weighted so that 
certain classes of voters have more vote weight than others.

The TDF could engage into a legal arrangement with the co-operative that 
implies control of actions based on a contractual service arrangement.. but 
theoretically the board of the co-op would be run independently. If it's the 
case that the TDF must control the entity then forming a co-op may be an overly 
complicated matter.

I'll attend the conference at 13:00 Berlin time tomorrow and if there is time 
for me to speak on it before 13:30 I will.

Cheers,
Kevin



>     On 13/08/2020 11:42 Lothar K. Becker <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>      
>      
>     Hi Kevin,
> 
>     thanks for sharing your idea, sounds interesting, if I understood it 
> right it is the "Genossenschaft" you are mentioning?
> 
>     It is worth to think about and value it if such an organisation could 
> help to full fill the solution for handling app store activities and get more 
> code contributions financed, under control of TDF.
> 
>     What about discussing the idea in the public part of the meeting 
> tomorrow, are you available there? I would love to have your full name then 
> to ask you in the meeting to say a few sentence about the idea.
> 
>     Thanks again, hopefully speaking tomorrow a bit about the idea, all the 
> best
>     Lothar Becker
> 
>     Am 13.08.2020 um 16:19 schrieb Kev M:
> 
>         > >         I'm guessing based on the information provided in the 
> titles that the TDF is looking to set up a The Document 
> "Co-operative/Corporation".
> >          
> >         If it is the case you're setting up a business entity, may I 
> > strongly plead towards setting up a multi-stakeholder platform co-operative 
> > instead of a corporation?
> >          
> >         1) CIB, Collabora, etc. would have equal voting rights as 
> > organization members
> >         2) Donor/subscribers would have voting rights as personal members.
> >         3) TDF/TDC staff would have voting rights as worker members.
> >          
> >         The weighting of votes could be determined by contributions, so 
> > maybe (60% org weight, 30% member weight, 10% worker weight).
> >          
> >         Trebor Scholz, a german professor at The New School in NYC is a 
> > proponent of platform co-ops and would likely be quite interested in 
> > helping out.
> >          
> >         There are a lot of other platform co-op enthusiasts that would 
> > likely help with this work as well, it would help with task 3113 (though I 
> > don't know why Heiko is so resistant against creating an online forum like 
> > Discourse considering the community is clamouring for it.)
> > 
> >         There are also lots of resources online with templates, etc. to set 
> > up a co-operative organization; in Europe the ICA (Belgium), CICOPA 
> > (Italy), etc. would be excited to help I would imagine.
> > 
> >         This also would be a potential revenue stream as voting membership 
> > could be set as an annual requirement to maintain good standing. Consider 
> > that Taz.de - a media co-op in Berlin, is purely funded by it's members, 
> > despite the availability of free news around the world and states.
> > 
> >         If you'd be interested in going in this direction I'd be happy to 
> > provide some volunteer time to assist in creation/governance.
> > 
> >         Cheers,
> >         Kevin
> > 
> >     > 
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