On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:06 AM, David Nelson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 23:09, Greg Stein <[email protected]> wrote: >> * "non-binding" votes are from other participants in the conversation. >> Their "votes" are allowed as a measure and gauge over the broader >> community opinion, even though they will not actually be tallied in >> the final ballot. > > It's true that this could be a good way to "take the temperature" in > the community about issues being voted on... Maybe our LibreOffice SC > could think about this before the bylaws are fully stabilized?
This is not a matter of bylaws. Such non-binding voting is 'already', if you want, in the bylaws in the sens that such 'non-biding vote' are an expression of free speech but are not counted toward the final tally. In that regard that is fully compatible with the current bylaws. Furthermore the bylaws are 'fully stabilized', and substantially have been so for few months now. changing/adding anything substantial at this point would mean doing the whole English-German translation dance with legal review... iow delay that much more the paperwork for the official legal registration of the Foundation. And if it wasn't for all that I would still suggest that bylaws should codify the 'minimum' required to maintain a functioning Foundation in case of discord... It should not be an attempt to codify _everything_ we do. Such 'tradition' (like the non-biding vote at Apache for example), is a matter of collective culture, something that evolve organically by tacit consensus... over time. You may have noticed that there is no 'biding -'1 in the current vote so far (unless I missed one) my understanding, is that they function a bit like a standard organization: such a -1 is required to be accompanied with precise objections... and in that case an attempt will be made to resolve such objections.. that is the 'consensus' model. So member with biding-vote that don't actively support the proposal, but don't want to delay the proceedings because their objections have already been expressed and cannot be 'resolved'.... tend to vote 0 (that is my perception of things.. I only have had few days to observe the Apache process... so I could be wrong). So you should not see such vote as a 'survey of the force in presence' but as a 'search where the consensus lies' Norbert PS: I don't think it is a good way to 'take the temperature' in the community. it is just, maybe, a good way to take the temperature among the people that follow a particular thread in a particular mailing list. PS2: you can check the Apache bylaws, you'll see that there is nothing in there about biding/non-biding votes. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
