> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 02 September 2008 15:52
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [BLISS] Alert-Info URNs
> 
> Hello Denis,
> 
> Please see inline: 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Alexeitsev, D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 02 September, 2008 17:26
> To: Mutikainen Jari (Nokia-D-MSW/Helsinki)
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: AW: [BLISS] Alert-Info URNs
> 
> Hi Jari
> 
> Comments inline 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> In my understanding the Alert-Info has been specified for 
> INVITE and 180
> only. Quite many of the examples below do not make sense in INVITE or
> 180. 
> 
> [DA] Could you point to the examples that make no sense?
> 
> 
> [Jari] If I start from the top of the list, there are high 
> tone and low
> tone, which I have no idea what they are. Then the next one is dial
> tone, so let's concentrate on this. Dial tone is a tone which is given
> to the caller when he/she picks up the phone, before making any
> dialling. By hearing the dial tone, the caller knows the 
> "line is free".
> This is implemented only in legacy fixed phones, e.g. mobile phones do
> not have a dial tone. What meaning the sending of the dial tone could
> have in INVITE or 180? Once the INVITE hits the callee, the playing of
> the dial tone to the caller has been discontinued a long time ago. How
> about 180, does it indicate that the dial tone should be played to the
> caller in alerting phase?  
> 
> 
> In any case, to me it seems that the CW is the only real problem what
> needs to be solved in this I-D, everything else seems to be imaginary,
> is there really a need for a generic framework?
> 
> [DA] Do you have a proposal on how to solve the issues 
> without having a
> generic framework?
> 
> [Jari] Yes, let's use 181+180, or if that is not sufficient for some
> reason (which reason I would like to read from the I-D), 180 with
> Alert-Info with a CW indication.

> 
> In addition, the I-D could describe why 181 is not sufficient 
> solution.
> 
> [DA] What use case do you have in mind that can be solved by 
> using 181?
> 
> [Jari] The CW use case: how to indicate to the caller that 
> the callee is
> alerting but busy with another call. I think this was the original
> problem to be solved? 
[JRE] What is the relevance of 181 (Call is Being Forwarded)? Perhaps
you meant 182 (Queued)?

John
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