I am a little confused here...
How will using a promise this way be a performance optimization? Promises
run their given function immediately, so the work is being done anyway, not
on demand.
Is it specifically only a potential* memory optimization (because the blob
data will not be put onto the clipboard yet)?

*Potential because blobs can be represented as file system files and so the
data may not be actually copied onto the clipboard anyway, only their
handle will be put there (maybe this is a different optimization that is
not yet implemented)

☆*PhistucK*


On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 12:10 AM 'Ana Sollano Kim' via blink-dev <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Thank you for the response. We’ll act accordingly regarding the TAG review.
>
>
>
> Further clarifications on the highlighted examples. I included these just
> to show what currently does NOT work with the current API, but we’re not
> actively pursuing that and it is out of scope for this proposal.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ana
>
>
>
> *From:* Sangwhan Moon <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 6, 2023 3:47 PM
> *To:* Ana Sollano Kim <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* Joshua Bell <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Anupam
> Snigdha <[email protected]>; Sanket Joshi (EDGE) <[email protected]>;
> [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]; [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [blink-dev] RE: Intent to Prototype:
> Delayed clipboard rendering
>
>
>
> You don't often get email from [email protected]. Learn why this is
> important <https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification>
>
> If the API surface doesn't change, it's probably fine to skip the TAG
> review. That said, I'll skim the proposal and let you know if there is a
> need.
>
>
>
> On Mar 7, 2023, at 8:21, Ana Sollano Kim <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thank you for the comments!
>
>
>
>    1. I changed the explainer to reflect the current state of that
>    document. The one I linked
>    
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FMicrosoftEdge%2FMSEdgeExplainers%2Fblob%2Fmain%2FDelayedClipboard%2FDelayedClipboardRenderingExplainer.md&data=05%7C01%7CAna.Sollano%40microsoft.com%7Cc029cfd3c5b147dd5ae108db1e9d0eab%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638137432167262075%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jvILCtGj0Qo3UAs3FWSgsHpanWPW0uyTqYwqJ1BeIPg%3D&reserved=0>
>    is the current one.
>    2. I updated the permissions of the design doc to allow for
>    suggestions/comments. Feedback is very much appreciated in the google doc.
>    We can also discuss via email or call as needed. We have an issue
>    opened in the EWG
>    
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fediting%2Fissues%2F417%23issuecomment-1452770119&data=05%7C01%7CAna.Sollano%40microsoft.com%7Cc029cfd3c5b147dd5ae108db1e9d0eab%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638137432167262075%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=my5sw4cIc6MeUcQZhyQUIeZ4bdppZLg7jZ2JVNtQuAw%3D&reserved=0>,
>    so that's also a good place for feedback on the explainer.
>    3. I updated the examples on the design doc with a couple of nits.
>    Regarding the ClipboardItem constructor: when the promise to the function
>    resolves into a Blob, the existing Async Clipboard API just works. 
> Examples:
>
>
>
> const promiseBlob = new Promise(generateExpensiveHTML);
>
>
>
> function generateExpensiveHTML(resolve, reject) {
>
>   const blobInput = new Blob([ '<p>Some HTML</p>'], {type: 'text/html'});
>
>   resolve(blobInput);
>
>      }
>
>
>
> or
>
>
>
> const promiseBlob = new Promise((resolve, reject) => {
>
>   const blobInput = new Blob([ '<p>Some HTML</p>'], {type: 'text/html});
> // fixed typo
>
>   resolve(blobInput);
>
> });
>
>
>
> const clipboardItem = new ClipboardItem({'text/html': promiseBlob});
>
>      await navigator.clipboard.write([clipboardItem]);
>
>
>
> The following examples would need a change in the API in order to work.
>
>
>
> 1.
>
> const promiseBlob = new Promise(generateExpensiveHTML);
>
> const clipboardItem = new ClipboardItem({'text/html': promiseBlob});
>
>      await navigator.clipboard.write([clipboardItem]);
>
>
>
> function generateExpensiveHTML(resolve, reject) {
>
>   const blobInput = new Blob([ '<p>Some HTML</p>'], {type: 'text/html'});
>
>   return blobInput;
>
> }
>
>
>
> 2.
>
> const clipboardItem = new ClipboardItem({'text/html':
> generateExpensiveHTML});
>
>      await navigator.clipboard.write([clipboardItem]);
>
>
>
>    - On the TAG review, I updated the TAG review field to "Not
>    applicable" since this proposal doesn't change the Async Clipboard API and
>    is mainly a performance feature. I'm happy to initiate a TAG review if
>    necessary. Let me know your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ana
>
>
>
> *From:* Sangwhan Moon <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2023 11:27 AM
> *To:* Joshua Bell <[email protected]>; Ana Sollano Kim <
> [email protected]>
> *Cc:* [email protected]; Anupam Snigdha <[email protected]>;
> Sanket Joshi (EDGE) <[email protected]>; [email protected];
> [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [blink-dev] RE: Intent to Prototype: Delayed
> clipboard rendering
>
>
>
> You don't often get email from [email protected]. Learn why this is
> important <https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification>
>
> Interesting proposal! Wondering why the TAG review is marked as pending
> when there was no review submitted?
>
> On 2023年03月04日 10時19分16秒 (+09:00), Joshua Bell wrote:
>
> Hey folks! This is very exciting to see.
>
>
>
> I notice the linked explainer is marked Archived, and links to itself as
> the current version? The attached design doc is helpful, but *unhelpfully*
> forbids copy/paste. Can you fix that?
>
>
>
> The explainer calls out that there's no API change, but the design doc's
> example shows the ClipboardItem consuming what looks like a promise that
> resolves to a function... which doesn't seem to be what's intended. What's
> the best way for other Chromium folks to help you iterate on the explainer
> and API design, and provide feedback on the design doc?
>
>
>
> Again, this is awesome to see - I've definitely heard requests for this
> functionality from many partners.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 3:48 PM 'Ana Sollano Kim' via blink-dev <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Sending some clarifications.   TAG review
>
> Performance improvement. No change in Web APIs.
>
>
> TAG review status
>
> Not applicable
>
>
> Interoperability and Compatibility
>
> Chromium is the first browser to support delayed clipboard rendering.
> Firefox and Safari have expressed no concerns about the concept.
>
>
>
> *Gecko*: Neutral (
> https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/758
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmozilla%2Fstandards-positions%2Fissues%2F758&data=05%7C01%7CAna.Sollano%40microsoft.com%7Cc029cfd3c5b147dd5ae108db1e9d0eab%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638137432167262075%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=TsMY8g4LZ8x4RYcMCV036dNMpTMnC8GZSeIEzC9sku0%3D&reserved=0>)
> Expressed no concerns, conversation:
> https://github.com/w3c/editing/issues/417#issuecomment-1452770119
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fediting%2Fissues%2F417%23issuecomment-1452770119&data=05%7C01%7CAna.Sollano%40microsoft.com%7Cc029cfd3c5b147dd5ae108db1e9d0eab%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638137432167262075%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=my5sw4cIc6MeUcQZhyQUIeZ4bdppZLg7jZ2JVNtQuAw%3D&reserved=0>
>
> *WebKit*: Positive (
> https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/144
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FWebKit%2Fstandards-positions%2Fissues%2F144&data=05%7C01%7CAna.Sollano%40microsoft.com%7Cc029cfd3c5b147dd5ae108db1e9d0eab%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638137432167262075%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=9ECWx6uPECb14n0JS7cX6tPYzcyMMI863RjWBxOY3ik%3D&reserved=0>)
> Expressed no concerns, conversation:
> https://github.com/w3c/editing/issues/417#issuecomment-1452770119
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fediting%2Fissues%2F417%23issuecomment-1452770119&data=05%7C01%7CAna.Sollano%40microsoft.com%7Cc029cfd3c5b147dd5ae108db1e9d0eab%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638137432167262075%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=my5sw4cIc6MeUcQZhyQUIeZ4bdppZLg7jZ2JVNtQuAw%3D&reserved=0>
>
> *Web developers*: Positive Our partners have shown interest to leverage
> delayed clipboard rendering along with the Clipboard Async API's custom
> formats.
> WebView application risks
>
> *Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, such that
> it has potentially high risk for Android WebView-based applications?*
>
> No.
>
>
> Design Doc
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OIyzmilYbV7xc6JvNt73ELQX_DyiL-b3tkFZ3OGBrt0/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1OIyzmilYbV7xc6JvNt73ELQX_DyiL-b3tkFZ3OGBrt0%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=05%7C01%7CAna.Sollano%40microsoft.com%7Cc029cfd3c5b147dd5ae108db1e9d0eab%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638137432167262075%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WdbGjvpRNb1EropuXd%2BrGvMgdQVr7d0D414NZLfrEUE%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ana Sollano Kim
> *Sent:* Friday, March 3, 2023 1:22 PM
> *To:* [email protected]; Anupam Snigdha <[email protected]>;
> Sanket Joshi (EDGE) <[email protected]>; '[email protected]' <
> [email protected]>; '[email protected]' <[email protected]>;
> '[email protected]' <[email protected]>; '[email protected]' <
> [email protected]>; '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Intent to Prototype: Delayed clipboard rendering
>
>
> Contact emails
>
> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
> Explainer
>
>
> https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/MSEdgeExplainers/blob/main/DelayedClipboard/DelayedClipboardRenderingExplainer.md
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FMicrosoftEdge%2FMSEdgeExplainers%2Fblob%2Fmain%2FDelayedClipboard%2FDelayedClipboardRenderingExplainer.md&data=05%7C01%7CAna.Sollano%40microsoft.com%7Cc029cfd3c5b147dd5ae108db1e9d0eab%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638137432167262075%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jvILCtGj0Qo3UAs3FWSgsHpanWPW0uyTqYwqJ1BeIPg%3D&reserved=0>
> Specification
>
> https://w3c.github.io/clipboard-apis
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fclipboard-apis&data=05%7C01%7CAna.Sollano%40microsoft.com%7Cc029cfd3c5b147dd5ae108db1e9d0eab%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638137432167262075%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EG1LB7wVFVJg54afSiPlqwBCwsYn%2FMVgS2KBeEiCTPM%3D&reserved=0>
> Summary
>
> Delays the generation of the clipboard payload until it is needed by the
> target applications. Delayed clipboard rendering leverages the existing
> Async Clipboard API to allow web applications to improve performance when
> exchanging large data payloads by only producing the clipboard payload once
> a target application attempt to access it.
>
>
> Blink component
>
> Blink>DataTransfer
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.chromium.org%2Fp%2Fchromium%2Fissues%2Flist%3Fq%3Dcomponent%3ABlink%253EDataTransfer&data=05%7C01%7CAna.Sollano%40microsoft.com%7Cc029cfd3c5b147dd5ae108db1e9d0eab%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638137432167418318%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7drWuQurB5WDoLfrOo5b16drWWwNI5XEAmNNUVoO4ts%3D&reserved=0>
> Motivation
>
> Source applications typically don’t know where the user intends to paste
> the content at the time of copy, so web applications may produce several
> formats when writing to the clipboard to prepare for many possible target
> applications. The generation of one or more representations may take enough
> time that it is noticeable to the user, but it is unlikely that the target
> application will need all produced representations.
>
>
> Initial public proposal
>
> https://github.com/w3c/editing/issues/417
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fediting%2Fissues%2F417&data=05%7C01%7CAna.Sollano%40microsoft.com%7Cc029cfd3c5b147dd5ae108db1e9d0eab%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638137432167418318%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=TELz6f%2Fz%2BwDPAyg1a09Z8QZY7TbBNHzxlF7xJ1WD9XQ%3D&reserved=0>
> TAG review
>
>
> TAG review status
>
> Pending
> Risks
>
>
> Interoperability and Compatibility
>
> Chromium is the first browser to support delayed clipboard rendering.
> Firefox and Safari have expressed no concerns about the concept.
>
>
>
> *Gecko*: No signal (
> https://github.com/w3c/editing/issues/417#issuecomment-1452770119
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fediting%2Fissues%2F417%23issuecomment-1452770119&data=05%7C01%7CAna.Sollano%40microsoft.com%7Cc029cfd3c5b147dd5ae108db1e9d0eab%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638137432167418318%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=OfjJGTUeUOt%2FZ0TPqUPKTQwPYo8QCVnYKVPN%2F2fediE%3D&reserved=0>)
> Expressed no concerns.
>
> *WebKit*: No signal (
> https://github.com/w3c/editing/issues/417#issuecomment-1452770119
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fediting%2Fissues%2F417%23issuecomment-1452770119&data=05%7C01%7CAna.Sollano%40microsoft.com%7Cc029cfd3c5b147dd5ae108db1e9d0eab%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638137432167418318%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=OfjJGTUeUOt%2FZ0TPqUPKTQwPYo8QCVnYKVPN%2F2fediE%3D&reserved=0>)
> Expressed no concerns.
>
> *Web developers*: No signals
>
> *Other signals*:
> WebView application risks
>
> *Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, such that
> it has potentially high risk for Android WebView-based applications?*
>
>
> Debuggability
>
> The Async Clipboard API have tooling support as described in the DevTools
> support checklist.
>
>
> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests
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> ?
>
> No
> Flag name
>
> TBD
> Requires code in //chrome?
>
> False
> Tracking bug
>
> https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1408850
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> Estimated milestones
>
> No milestones specified
>
>
> Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Status
>
> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5124936324087808
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> This intent message was generated by Chrome Platform Status
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