LGTM. Good luck with the extension!

-mike

On Thu 16. Dec 2021 at 02:50 Hiroki Nakagawa <[email protected]> wrote:

> Good point. I think actually they don't need 4 more milestones for
> starting the experiment, so extending to 100 should be enough. Let me
> change the requesting milestones as follows:
>
> Estimated milestones
>
> Previous experiment timeline: M94 to M98
>
> Requested extension timeline: *M99 to M100*
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:33 AM Mike West <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In that case, do you need 4 more milestones? We've set a cap of 9
>> milestones
>> <https://www.chromium.org/blink/origin-trials/running-an-origin-trial#:~:text=16%20weeks)%2C%20with%20a-,cap%20of%209%20milestones,-(~36%20weeks)%20absent>
>>  for
>> OTs generally; this would bring y'all to 8. Do you need that entire period
>> if folks are actively experimenting now? If folks started testing in 97,
>> extending to 100 would give them 4 milestones to work with, which might be
>> enough?
>>
>> -mike
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 4:22 PM Hiroki Nakagawa <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mike,
>>>
>>> We are aware that some sites are now running their experiments. In
>>> addition to that, another site has been preparing for the experiment. We
>>> are now actively helping them.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:08 AM Mike West <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Was any site able to try this out during the initial experimental
>>>> period? Or is this really just a delayed start to the trial? I think it's
>>>> reasonable to extend out 4 additional milestones, but if you really didn't
>>>> see any usage at all, it might be reasonable to consider this as a new
>>>> starting date as opposed to an extension.
>>>>
>>>> -mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:45 PM Hiroki Nakagawa <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Yoav,
>>>>> The requesting milestones are from M99 to M103 (The previous
>>>>> milestones were from M94 to M98).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 6:02 PM Yoav Weiss <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What are the milestones for the continued experimentation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 2:12 AM Hiroki Nakagawa <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Contact emails
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [email protected], [email protected]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Explainer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This feature:
>>>>>>> <https://chromestatus.com/admin/features/launch/5355965538893824/This%20feature:%20https://github.com/jeremyroman/alternate-loading-modes/blob/main/same-origin-explainer.md>
>>>>>>> https://github.com/WICG/nav-speculation/blob/main/same-origin-explainer.md
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This trial:
>>>>>>> https://github.com/WICG/nav-speculation/blob/main/same-origin-chrome-origin-trial.md
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Larger project:
>>>>>>> <https://chromestatus.com/admin/features/launch/5355965538893824/Larger%20project:%20https://github.com/jeremyroman/alternate-loading-modes/blob/main/README.md>
>>>>>>> https://github.com/WICG/nav-speculation/blob/main/README.md
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Specification
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://wicg.github.io/nav-speculation/prerendering.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Design docs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P2VKCLpmnNm_cRAjUeE-bqLL0bslL_zKqiNeCzNom_w/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Summary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prerendering loads a web page before it is needed, so that when the
>>>>>>> actual navigation to that page occurs, it can be shown instantly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This experiment is for the specific case of same-origin prerendering
>>>>>>> triggered by the Speculation Rules API. An earlier, related experiment
>>>>>>> supported prefetching
>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/Cw-hOjT47qI/m/EObn9-4MAgAJ>
>>>>>>> using this API. This is a separate experiment that requires its own 
>>>>>>> origin
>>>>>>> trial token.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This experiment has some limitations. See the explainer
>>>>>>> <https://github.com/WICG/nav-speculation/blob/main/same-origin-chrome-origin-trial.md#speculation-rules>
>>>>>>> for details.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blink component
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Internals>Preload>Prerender
>>>>>>> <https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?q=component:Internals%3EPreload%3EPrerender>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TAG review
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/667
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TAG review status
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pending
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Risks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interoperability and Compatibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interoperability risk: We believe that some browsers already have
>>>>>>> prerendering implementations which are not well-specified and may differ
>>>>>>> from each other. Our vision is to produce a specification that can help
>>>>>>> improve interoperability. There is a risk that other browsers do not
>>>>>>> converge on a prerendering standard. The danger here is that different
>>>>>>> browsers have different ways to trigger a prerendered page, and 
>>>>>>> prerendered
>>>>>>> pages behave differently in different browsers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prerendering is a web-visible behavior, since it involves fetching
>>>>>>> the page and executing its scripts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prerendering can depend on UA-specific heuristics. For example, the
>>>>>>> browser might decide to act on a hint to prerender based on the system
>>>>>>> load, and the presence of other prerenders. We do not intend to codify
>>>>>>> heuristics in the specification. A conforming browser might simply 
>>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>> all hints to prerender a page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compatibility risk: Some use cases will need to know whether a page
>>>>>>> is being prerendered. Ads and analytics are likely examples of this. 
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>> feature exposes `document.prerendering` to detect prerendering, but 
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> is a risk of sites that would benefit from using the API, not using it. 
>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>> believe that this risk is tractable because prerendering has existed in
>>>>>>> Chrome in the recent past and currently exists in some other browsers. 
>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>> also intend to add a header to network requests like `Purpose: 
>>>>>>> prefetch` so
>>>>>>> that origin servers can identify requests for prerendered pages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gecko: No signal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WebKit: No signals, while Safari appears to have some form of
>>>>>>> prerendering already.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Web developers: No signals
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other signals: No signals
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ergonomics
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This feature is triggered by the Speculation Rules API:
>>>>>>> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5740655424831488
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Activation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Developers can use the Speculation Rules API to use the feature. The
>>>>>>> feature should just work for most existing pages. Developers should be
>>>>>>> aware of restrictions on prerendering content (they cannot play audio or
>>>>>>> perform other disruptive behavior, etc). This feature would benefit from
>>>>>>> good documentation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Security
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This feature is the first use of the Multiple-Page Architecture,
>>>>>>> which is a significant change to Chromium's internals. Both MPArch and 
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> feature in particular underwent significant security review. See the 
>>>>>>> design
>>>>>>> doc for more details.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From a web-exposed perspective, the security and privacy concerns
>>>>>>> are smaller, because this feature is restricted to the same-origin case
>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Goals for experimentation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To evaluate how the prerendering feature works on real sites before
>>>>>>> shipping it by default. This is a large feature and it's risky to ship
>>>>>>> without trying it first on real sites. We will be evaluating 
>>>>>>> performance,
>>>>>>> stability, and correctness, and any other feedback the sites have when 
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> use this feature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reason this experiment is being extended
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The sites participating in this trial need more time to set up their
>>>>>>> services with the feature. We would like to collect more data from them 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> evaluating the feature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ongoing technical constraints
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> None
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Debuggability
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Currently DevTools does not work for prerendered pages. On
>>>>>>> activation, DevTools must be closed and reopened in order to inspect the
>>>>>>> page. We have plans to add DevTools support for prerendering. A meta bug
>>>>>>> for this work is at https://crbug.com/1217029.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a very small support, prerendered pages are visible in
>>>>>>> chrome://process-internals. Also final results of prerendering are 
>>>>>>> shown in
>>>>>>> chrome://histograms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows,
>>>>>>> Mac, Linux, Chrome OS, Android, and Android WebView)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This feature is only supported on Android at first. As the feature
>>>>>>> is a cross-cutting one, where almost all of Chrome's features must be
>>>>>>> potentially taught about prerendered pages, we are starting with a 
>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>> platform and expanding later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests
>>>>>>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md>
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Partially tested. We’re now upstreaming wpt_internals/ tests (
>>>>>>> document
>>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XqdlrYdPbLLEfJfjQE1IK0I5Elj_2uiGaK5aUGYc1CU/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>> ).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Flag name
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prerender2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Requires code in //chrome?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> False
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tracking bug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://crbug.com/1126305
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Launch bug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://crbug.com/1167987
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Estimated milestones
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Previous experiment timeline: M94 to M98
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Requested extension timeline: M99 to M103
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Status
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5355965538893824
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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