Its been awfully quiet around here since Vincent Diepeveen was kicked....
On 25 November 2013 20:25, Prentice Bisbal <prentice.bis...@rutgers.edu> wrote: > On 11/22/2013 02:41 PM, Ellis H. Wilson III wrote: >> On 11/22/13 16:15, Joe Landman wrote: >>> On 11/22/2013 02:00 PM, Ellis H. Wilson III wrote: >>>> I think "no support" may be a bit overreaching, but nevertheless, I >>> I couldn't find a person I spoke to about this from the list in support >>> of this persons actions. Everyone I spoke with about this was quite >>> negative. No support is an accurate reflection. >> Not having found support from your contacts in a list with hundreds, if >> not thousands, of people on it doesn't mean there isn't someone out >> there who disagrees. We've got lots of lurkers here. >> >> That being said, we're talking past each other, and what's funnier is we >> obviously agree on the core that copyrighted text shouldn't be posted on >> the list as it threatens its existence. What I am saying is, whether 1% >> or 99% of people agree with this rule, it has zero bearing on the next >> move. What matters is what the administrators of this list decide is >> best to achieve protection and preservation of the list (I see Chris >> Samuels is the listed admin, but I'm sure there are others). >> >> So, what they decide I will abide by, but I stand by my position that it >> would be a comfort, if nothing else, if there was a page with Beowulf >> Email List Rules on it. I admit this disposition is driven by being >> married to a lawyer :D. >> >> > I agree with Ellis. I find it hard to believe that Joe's (probably) > small sample size represents everyone on the list. The people who spoke > out against this practice on this list I believe are a very small > percentage of the list subscribers, and I think they have a personal > interest in making money of pageviews, so they are not necessarily > unbiased. Everyone knows people are more vocal with complaints than > praise, so negative feedback is always disproportionate. > > Having said that, I agree that it is not necessarily a good practice to > cut-and-paste entire articles into newsgroup messages. However, unless > there is a specific rule banning this practice documented somewhere, it > would be wrong for the list to take action against someone who allegedly > violated a rule which doesn't exist (again, I agree with Ellis here). > > I think the proper plan of action would be the following: > > 1. Create a location where rules on this list can be published. > (http://www.beowulf.org/guidelines?), along with actions taken when > someone violates a rule. > 2. Add a footer to each e-mail indicating where to find these rules, so > no one can claim ignorance ( link on how to unsubscribe, etc, would be > helpful, too). > 3. All anyone on the list to propose a rule/posting guideline at any > time and allow for adequate discussion. The rule-making process itself > should probably be documented, to prevent accusations of bias. > 4. Allow some time for everyone to comment on proposed rule. > 5. Leave to list administrators to determine if there are enough "ayes" > or "nayes" to implement the rule. > 6. Add new rule to (1) and then communicate this change to the list. > > Personally, I'm against having many (any?) rules on this mailing list. > Many great 'off-topic' conversations have been had here precisely > because there are no real rules about content. It was a long time before > a certain someone was moderated off this list despite years of > complaints because people thought moderation was bad.Now that we do have > moderation as a weapon, we shouldn't be too eager to use it. > > Prentice > > > _______________________________________________ > Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing > To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit > http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf _______________________________________________ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf
