On 04/18/2013 12:57 PM, Nicholas M Glykos wrote: > > > >>> In the same way you wouldn't allow a general >>> user to override the safety interlocks of an X-ray generator, you >>> shouldn't allow root access to the general users of a shared computing >>> facility. >> >> Please describe what the grad student who pioneers new tech for X-ray >> generators should do, particularly if they are trying to develop new safety >> interlocks. > > They work on their supervisor's own X-ray generator at the basement of > their department under strict supervision. And not at a synchrotron site > with 40 people doing their own experiments. > >> There needs to be, at the very least, a testbed in universities where >> students >> can receive and be able to use root on a limited set of machines. > > Fully agree. Students should be able to play and break things, but with > their group's toy cluster, and not the central cluster of their > university.
While I would love that, and in an ideal world there would be a totally separate, at-scale cluster for me to research on as I alluded to, good luck convincing universities to buy such things (individually owned X-ray generators or clusters to break). I've not yet been able to, at least. My entire point is that there is a marginalized sector of research in the EDU space because of the current manner in which things are guarded. If you're a theory person, you're golden. Just run your shitty Matlab script on the cluster and moan when the cluster is down. Feel free to forget about reality, or how that cluster works, or where and how your script files and data is stored. Hence why real hardcore computer engineering (where things can and do break, and people learn the MOST from those breakages) is done in the private sector. It's really a sad state of affairs. ellis _______________________________________________ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf
