At european energy market one has to PAY if you deliver windmill or solar panel energy at hours the market doesn't need the energy.
So a huge energy producer exploiting such windmill parks effectively loses more money than he makes. Same with solar plants - yet there is very few of those and the ones there are very tiny. This is a realistic worldview on solar and windmill energy of course and should be also translated into not subsidizing it except for research. Right now it's moving money directly from EU to China which produces windmills and solar panels, of course at a price no one here can compete with. Gas always has been huge in Netherlands as energy source (we also export gas) yet oil hardly gets used to produce electricity. World wide usage of coals only is increasing, especially in 3d world nations. The nations using lots of coals only use more and more of the stuff. I'm a bit amazed though USA is using that much coals and gas as when compared to the nuclear production of it. Of course assuming the table is correct that Jim quoted, as there is no market where that much desinformation gets spreaded as in the energy world, as there is always billions at stake and politicians simply don't want to bring the bad news to their voters that there is as of yet no good way to produce electricity without some sort of major disadvantage, be it CO2 output or killing all fish and eco life of a river with a hydro plant or the risk of a melt down of a nuclear central. They just are not prepared to tell the truth and governments then mess up statistics not seldom. On Apr 11, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 09:40:38PM +0000, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: >> In the US, electricity comes mostly from coal and natural gas, >> with the latter rapidly replacing the former. France is somewhat >> unusual in having significant nuclear generation, but in the US, >> nuclear has been roughly constant at about 20%. > > It doesn't have to be nuclear, coal or gas > http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/10/german- > coal-fired-generation-of-electricity-falls-while-renewable- > generation-rises > >> >> In PetaWattHr >> Coal 1.517 >> Gas 1.231 (natural) >> Nuc 0.769 >> Hydro 0.277 >> Renew 0.219 (wind, tidal, solar) >> Oil 0.013 >> Other 0.012 (no idea what this is, biomass?) >> Gas 0.011 (other, blast furnace gas, e.g.) >> Coke 0.010 (from oil) >> >> Over the last few years, Coal is decreasing by about 200 TeraWh/ >> yr, Nat gas increasing by about the same. Oil is decreasing by >> about 3-4 TWh/yr, renewable is increasing about 20-25 TWh/yr. >> >> http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm? >> t=epmt_1_1 > _______________________________________________ > Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin > Computing > To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit > http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf _______________________________________________ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf
