Commodities don't last forever. There's nobody building Z80A based clusters 
that I'm aware of. Although they  DO still make and sell millions of processors 
using the Z80 and 8051 instruction sets, there's not much activity in the 8080 
or 4004 ballpark these days.

I think it's more that architectural and algorithmic approaches which use 
masses of general purpose computers tend to have longer lives, because there 
will always be GP computers.  At some level, it's just "recompile for the new 
CPU" because they have generic architectures, so the algorithms aren't highly 
optimized for something else.  The same can't generally be said of any 
arbitrary specialized processor, whether it be a CDC7600 vector unit, a FFT box 
from APS, a T414 from Inmos, or a GPU from Nvidia, etc.

A similar situation arises in the DSP world.  Your processor of choice might 
change, discrete logic with those TRW Multiply Accumulate chips, Harvard 
architecture DSP with a FFT butterfly ALU, or a modern FPGA with multiplier 
cores.  But the basic algorithms and signal flows tend to be pretty consistent. 
 FIR filters are implemented pretty much the same way today as they were back 
in the 1980s with Schottky TTL and wirewrap, perhaps with a bit more 
parallelism what with 10s of millions of gates available. Back in the 80s, I 
did work on a system with a pipelined 1024 point FFT in 16 bit block floating 
point which now that I count them up is many million gates.  If you count the 
gates in the intermediate storage buffers, (1024 * 2 (I/Q) * 16(bits) is 
32kbits of RAM, and at 4 gates/bit for a D-latch, that's already 128kgates.  
Plus the addressing logic, those nifty 16x16 MAC parts from TRW and "one pass" 
through the FFT was probably over half a million gates on one (big) board, 
 and there were 9 passes in sequence

Designs that leverage peculiarities of a particular problem or platform (e.g. 
filters with coefficients that are such that a shift and add works) tend to be 
non-portable

Jim Lux


-----Original Message-----
From: Bret Stouder [mailto:br...@senecadata.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 7:52 AM
To: 'Douglas Eadline'; Lux, Jim (337C)
Cc: beowulf@beowulf.org
Subject: RE: [Beowulf] Roadrunner shutdown

A great example of why Xeon or Opteron and now PHI and Kepler make a whole lot 
more sense than Blue Gene or Origin.  :)  Commodity off the shelf hardware and 
software solutions continue to make the world go round...............





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