Mark Hahn wrote:
I'd like to add that Dell's DKMS (Dynamics Kernel Management System) is
great:

http://linux.dell.com/projects.shtml#dkms

really?  I've never much seen the point, since when I want a kernel
update, it's almost never for drivers, but more fundamental parts of the kernel, often not even modules. I suppose that a vendor's responsibility might focus on drivers, though.

dkms is useful for a few folks. We keep running into issues with it rebuilding wrong versions of modules, and then we have to back out the changes and fix it. More often than not, we simply turn it off, and it saves us time/effort/headache.


build a way for customers to buy proprietary linux apps (e.g. games) via
authenticated/keyed access to yum repos, he could singlehandedly create
a serious userland linux market.

HP has its own distro, but is still trying to use a traditional approach to making patches patches available. (ie, ftp patch files that unpack to rpm(s), install script and docs). it seems pretty obvious that yum repos are the way to go (is there any _technical_ reason to prefer deb's? to me, the gist of a distro is the web of

Yeah ... from a construction point of view, you can have many many different flavors of RPM. Customer might have an RPM from a vendor that purports to install on RHEL, only to find out that it is *only* later version of RHEL, 4.x and earlier be damned ... which means you have lots of spec file debugging to do ...

Been there, done that. I'd argue for a tarball with an included minimal spec file for people who want to build their own RPMs (intel does it this way). But don't distribute code as an RPM.


version dependencies that it presents when installed.  why distros
at all?  because dependecies are normally a digraph, sometimes cyclic,
so it's really hard to share non-leaf packages between distros...

Yup. And this is a problem if the distro flavor/version has very different dependencies. Just try to build some FC* RPMs on RHEL. Quite an intriguing (and masochistic) experience.


Cut a deal with vmware on the side, add full out-of-the-box lin/win

is there any reason to prever vmware over one of the free VMs?

Its everywhere, and server is free.


via yum and he could take the office desktop by storm.  Secure windows
-- run from inside linux!

We do this already, have been for years.


I'm not so sure about that - why would VMed windows be more secure?

Very simple. Better firewalling, disk snapshotting, etc. You could even run windows w/o virus/firewall on itself, as recovery would be as simple as copying the last good disk image and wiping out the changes since.

my understanding is that the thing that makes windows vulnerable is the hooks that make windows integration work. and it's the integration
that people expect, no?

We can severely restrict windows running on a VM on linux, so that it cannot ever see the threatening servers (by restricting what IPs can connect to the VM). We can do stateful packet filtering through linux.

All of these things are very very hard to get right in windows. More often than not they don't, and we get exploits burning through the windows population, pissing off admins and IT management, and causing the rest of us to shake our heads in sympathy.

This is why, the premier windows HPC shop at Cornell still runs anti-virus on each of its cluster nodes (c.f. http://www.cac.cornell.edu/Documentation/Software/Tables/SoftwareWindows.aspx and search for Anti-virus, now compare that to their linux system http://www.cac.cornell.edu/Documentation/Software/Tables/SoftwareLinux.aspx and look for Anti-virus).

If they were running windows atop Linux in a VM session, with the appropriate firewalling, the windows machines would be less likely to be corrupted/corruptable, as no backchannels would be allowed, and the connections could be rigidly controlled.

This, curiously enough, would lower the per-VM cost, by eliminating unnecessary packages. There are other advantages to this, but the net is that it would be better for all concerned to keep Windows behind a linux firewall.


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