Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Glen Beane wrote:

These stipends are exempt from FICA tax.

This is just a way of short changing the post-doc by not giving them the same pension benefits that every other working person gets.

Hmmm.... deviating quite a bit from beowulfery ...  but ...

not "every other working person" gets pension benefits. Last I checked here in the US, there isn't a national pension system (yeah we have social security ... anyone want to try to live off of that?). Small companies, and most newer companies don't do pensions (for a very good reason), rather using 401k's and similar devices.

That is the sidebar to the OT.

When I started looking at postdoc (eek ... that long ago?) positions, it was not uncommon to see theoretical physics PhDs earning ~16-19k/year US. No FICA exemptions. For a family of 4, this put you under the poverty line.

Somehow, I am not quite convinced that the science departments offering these grasped how the invisible hand of the market would decimate their supply of new PhD's for these positions. You can fight the market, or accept that there is a market and deal with it. The former is not a wise course of action (though it had been standard practice when I was looking at postdocs). The old Young Scientists Network had formed then to discuss some of the abuses of the market and attempts to manipulate the demand/supply curves to oversupply the market with talent, thus keeping the price of talent low. There is a cost to every decision, and flooding the market (then) has had longer term effects that are being observed today.

Back to your regularly scheduled cluster ...

Joe (a free-market capitalist)

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