Gerald, exactly! I have so many RFQ for 100 or even 1000pcs and people just can't understand that so small volume is not even a volume for an assembly line and consequently unit prices are higher than BBB price. These people just purchase BBB for commercial projects although they should not. Distributors simply accept their orders
If you want low cost than order at least 10k. For example I don't even know any Chinese factory which can accept orders less than 10k and even for 10k they will charge at least 100% of components cost. It's business, nothing personal. No one will donate your dreams 2014-05-29 17:10 GMT+04:00 Gerald Coley <[email protected]>: > Not to mention. If you build a custom BBB, and make 100 pieces, the cost > will be around $300 to $500 a board after you pay the NRE and high cost of > buying only 00 boards. .The reson this board is low a sit is is that we add > a three zeros to the 100 number. That is the way this business works. > > Gerald > > > > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 8:07 AM, David Lambert <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well said Gerald! The BBB is so much more than just a reference design. >> It has been instantiated at a very low cost. I get sick when I hear of so >> much crap being thrown at the team, just because its huge success has >> caused some supply issues. >> Rant over. >> >> Dave. >> >> >> On 05/29/2014 08:00 AM, Gerald Coley wrote: >> >> I gave you the design for free. All the schematics, CAD files, and BOM. >> You are free to build it yourself at any place you want. There is no NRE >> charge. No license. >> >> Sorry that I can't be your personal engineering and manufacturing >> operation. >> >> Gerald >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Eric Fort <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hey, wait! Gerald does not suck! Gerald, and the entire beagleboard >>> team are awesome and totally rock! We as a community probably give >>> Gerald the most workload and highest amount of stress though. Yes, we >>> have been given a great foundation in beagle on which to build. If >>> you need something substantially more custom you've got much of the >>> work already completed, and any rework and redesign not only is your >>> own but really ought be contributed back to the community as well (if >>> you do a derivitive work of the board rather than a clean sheet) >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:38 AM, David Farning <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > I agree completely. >>> > >>> > With the understanding that there are shops which can do small custom >>> > orders at reasonable prices, the conversation shifts from >>> > BeagleBoard.orc / Circuit Co / Gerald sucks for not meeting my >>> > specific needs... to how can I build on the foundation that >>> > BeagleBoard.org et. al have laid to needs. >>> > >>> > David >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Eric Fort <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> While CircuitCo incurs some risk in expanding production capacity on a >>> >> board that "anyone can step in and manufacture a clone" of, and >>> >> Embedest *is* making a clone of as a second source I will still hold >>> >> out when purchasing beagleboard products for those sourced from >>> >> CircuitCo as their quality has always been consistant and of the >>> >> highest degree and their servive has been excellent. So long as >>> >> others make the same observation that does help lessen some of the >>> >> risk. >>> >> >>> >> As far as getting circa 100 boards made, I know there are shops that >>> >> will do single quantities and with that the case a quantity of 100 is >>> >> not unreasonable, just gotta shop around a bit. I may know a few >>> >> places to get you going so if interested, pm me. then again.... at a >>> >> qty of 100 >>> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/BB-BBLK-100/BB-BBLK-100-REVC-ND/4842545 >>> >> may be an option. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 6:19 PM, David Farning <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Some shops are really good at churning out small (100 to 10,000 >>> units) >>> >>> runs of a product. They have perfected the art of retooling the line. >>> >>> >>> >>> In the current situation, it appears that our beaglebone friends are >>> >>> in the process of convincing the money people to make the investment >>> >>> to increase manufacturing capacity. The new equipment required to >>> >>> increase capacity costs serious money. >>> >>> >>> >>> When one considers that the BBB is open and anyone can step in and >>> >>> manufacture a clone and bypass then R&D costs TI and Circuit Co have >>> >>> already invested, the risks start getting pretty high. >>> >>> >>> >>> What might seemed antagonizing slow to us on the outside, requires >>> >>> serious thought and planing on the inside. It can be challenging to >>> >>> communicate this when companies work as part of communities. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 6:32 PM, William Hermans <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Gerald, I am just curious. Hypothetically speaking, what would it >>> take to >>> >>>> retool to make a custom board ? I am not looking for an "IN" or >>> anything I >>> >>>> am just curious. I'm thinking it would be a huge hassle to say the >>> least. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I've never worked in a PCB fab before, but worked for a CNC shop >>> many moons >>> >>>> ago, and retooling for even the most basic part ( door lock keyways >>> ), would >>> >>>> take a full day or two just for the setup, and a week or slightly >>> longer to >>> >>>> shake out the bugs. Meanwhile, the company is "losing" money until >>> things >>> >>>> are running smoothly again. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Gerald Coley < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> 100 boards is not a lot of boards. Especially when you have >>> distributors >>> >>>>> screaming for 50,000 boards to fill their large POs.. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Gerald >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM, sixvolts <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> There are plenty of things that get built and sold in those kinds >>> of >>> >>>>>> numbers, like specialized instruments. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:33:49 PM UTC-5, Robert P. J. Day >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 28 May 2014, sixvolts wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> > I've been trying to talk to the people CircuitCo about >>> building a >>> >>>>>>> > run of the beaglebone black boards for a commercial project, >>> but I >>> >>>>>>> > can't seem to get anyone to respond to emails and the two >>> people I >>> >>>>>>> > have phone numbers for are always busy. My understanding was >>> that >>> >>>>>>> > proper etiquette was to not poach boards from the distributors >>> if >>> >>>>>>> > you build a device around the beaglebone and have them >>> produced for >>> >>>>>>> > you. I even spoke to someone at a CircuitCo booth at a >>> conference >>> >>>>>>> > last year (DesignWest - where the beaglebone black was >>> "launched") >>> >>>>>>> > and they indicated this was common already for the original >>> >>>>>>> > beagleboards/bones. >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> > I can't get anyone local interested in building them because >>> of some >>> >>>>>>> > of the minimum order quantities on some of the parts (like the >>> >>>>>>> > emmc). >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> > Anyone at CircuitCo around? I have money and need around 100 >>> boards >>> >>>>>>> > made. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> not many manufacturers would consider 100 units much of a >>> "run". >>> >>>>>>> that's not the sort of number that's going to get you much >>> attention. >>> >>>>>>> just an observation. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> rday >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> ======================================================================== >>> >>>>>>> Robert P. J. 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