At 16:10 -0400 12/10/06, Mike Schienle wrote:
I'd be pretty surprised if Interarchy really couldn't handle this
I was to. The info on the web site was promising, but it still boils
down to [s]ftp required (or http, webdav, etc.), none of which I can
make use of in this situation. We have a request into the admins to
add/start sftpd, but it seems to have stalled in the request queue.
Hopefully they'll come through.
Fugu does include scp, but it appears to be purely as a file copy
mechanism, not a directory browser. That's useful, but not quite
what I'm looking for.
scp is "Secure Copy Protcol". It is a service run over ssh and
allows only file copies. It has no directory browser. Any directory
browsing must be done via ssh, effectively with shell access "ls"
commands, with all the inherent compatibility issues that would
entail. This is not to say it is not done (heck, we get FTP
listings, right? ;-), but it means using two different protocols, and
sending shell commands and parsing listings.
At 15:03 -0600 12/10/06, Google Kreme wrote:
Are you sure? sftp is not ftp, it's simply a wrapper around ssh and scp.
sftp is "Secure File Transfer Protocol". It is a service run over
ssh and implements a very simple, high level, file system like
access. It has nothing to do with either scp or ftp.
At 13:43 -0700 12/10/06, Scot Hacker wrote:
On Oct 12, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Tim Gray wrote:
but can you have ssh without sftp and scp?
No. Not that I know of anyway. Same port, same service. If ssh is
allowed, then so is SFTP.
sftp and scp are both services over ssh, therefore they require ssh
to be enabled. Both can be disabled independently, even if ssh is
available. Technically they do not require ssh shell access to be
available, but it is surprisingly hard to enable ssh and scp/sftp
while disabling shell access.
So to recap:
scp is a service that runs over ssh and can be disabled, which
provides the ability to copy files but nothing more (not list,
delete, etc). scp has no connection to sftp or ftp.
sftp is a service that runs over ssh and can be disabled, which
provides a file system like access to files. sftp has no connection
to scp or ftp.
To use scp with directory listings, you need to use ssh with shell
access and list parsing.
Interarchy does not currently support scp, primarily because scp is a
file copy only protocol which means almost none of Interarchy's
facilities would be available. Directory listing requires ssh shell
access with all the problems and incompatibilities that that entails
(imagine all the problems that different user shells, user
configurations, etc would cause). We do have plans to implement this
in the future (and indeed, if you assume shell access (and perhaps
perl availability), then it opens up a whole new realm of
possibilities).
I hope that clears up some confusion,
Peter.
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