Thanks for all the info.... i really appreciate it...  So i am wondering 
then if its just not the best  and quickest in the end to simply install 
a basic system via Debian's net install ad then restore backuppc over 
that? as that only takes 20 mins or so....

But another quick question is i have a raid mirror, does this affect 
anything t a great deal? Should i be more careful with anything?

Thanks...


Rob Morin
Director of Technologies
Dido Internet Inc.
Montreal,Canada
http://www.dido.ca
514-990-4444



Les Mikesell wrote:
> Rob Morin wrote:
>> If possible i would like to hear more talk on doing something like 
>> the restore from live  distro as doing reliable and non time 
>> consuming images is a bitch... Are there any docs or detailed 
>> procedures on how to restore to a blank hard drive via a complete 
>> back up. I backup up "/" except for the afore  mentioned /proc /tmp 
>> bla bla  ... but what would a recommend live cd be? I use Debian Etch 
>> for instance....
>
> Knoppix is usually considered the ultimate live cd in terms of 
> hardware detection and included features but you need to make sure 
> that it knows about all the same LVM options, etc. that you are using 
> elsewhere.  The process can vary wildly depending on the system you 
> are restoring and the disk layout and boot setup it needs.  Basically 
> you have to fdisk, possibly set up LVMs, mkfs and mount something that 
> looks like the original filesystems by hand with the livecd tools, 
> then tell backuppc to deliver a tar image which you extract wherever 
> you mounted what will be the root filesystem - you can do that via ssh.
>
> I recently found something that might make it a lot easier with a 
> little work up front:  
> http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/clonezilla-live/.
> Clonezilla is intended to do mass-cloning of PXE-booted machines over 
> a network.  It would work for this purpose but takes some 
> infrastructure setup that might not be available when you need to 
> restore. Clonezilla-live is a variation that can be booted from CD or 
> USB drives and in the USB case can store/load the images directly on 
> the device.
> I'm just starting to test this myself, but I think a handy approach 
> would be to get a laptop-drive based external USB device (these are 
> very small, run from USB power, and come in sizes up to 250 gigs now), 
> follow the instructions for making a bootable USB clonezilla-live from 
> the link above, and periodically make image copies of the target 
> machines if there are times you can take them down for a few minutes.  
> Then if you need to restore from bare metal, boot from the usb drive 
> and drop in the latest copy you've saved which will include your ssh 
> keys so you can put back anything newer from backuppc.  There are 
> several other options, like making bootable CD's or DVD's that include 
> one or more images to restore, or mounting nfs/smb/sshfs network 
> filesystems for the image storage.  With ntfs and most linux 
> filesystems,it knows enough to save only the used blocks so it is 
> fairly fast.
>
> Perhaps someone could eventually combine the tools so backuppc could 
> use the same format for the disk layout description and mbr (would 
> need client side support or some ssh'd commands to get) and be able to 
> rebuild the disks automatically with the same tools.
>

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