On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Phong Cao <[email protected]> wrote: > What I am talking about here is SWITCHING and MANAGING applications, not > OPENING applications. In Shell I just need ONE CLICK to manage ALL OF MY 9 > WINDOWS.
The panel is for switching, opening _and_ managing "Applications". It is not for managing windows because Unity is application-centric. But G3 is application-centric as well. It got the same kind of launcher/dock. And like the mother of all app-centric OSs, Mac OS (X) they now all use expose/scale to manage windows in addition to alt-tabbing. Windows 7 is coming from a strictly window-centric taskbar but has incorporated some dock like behavior, however not without neglecting the *window* management too much - you can still manage every one of your windows from the taskbar. Hence it "manages" to do without a proper expose feature. As promised I just posted "Ideas for Unity 2.0 (no global menu, no panel, improved info area...)" Have a look at section 2 and the mail it references to. Please tell me what you think of G3 expose vs the taskbar in G2 in terms of managing open windows. > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Evan Huus <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Phong Cao <[email protected]> wrote: >> > About Unity & Gnome Shell... none of them is better than the other. It >> > depends on the users. >> > I am the kind of user that never open less than 5 windows at a time. >> > >> > As I explained above: >> > 1. Try to open 3 maximized windows of Chrome, 3 maximized windows of >> > LibreOffice, 2 Terminal windows and 1 Nautilus window. >> > 2. Now switch between the windows of different applications. You can >> > easily >> > see that: >> > - In Gnome Shell: I hover the mouse to the top-left, which takes almost >> > 1 >> > second. Then all 9 windows are shown on the screen for me to choose >> > from. >> > This makes things simple and easier. >> > - In Unity: >> > + The best way to switch between applications in Unity is using the >> > keyboard. >> > + Other than that, I will have to hover the mouse to the left and then >> > "guess" "Where is my Chrome/Terminal/LibreOffice icon?" to click on. >> > + This causes lots of confusion and time consuming since everytime I >> > want to >> > switch between DIFFERENT applications I have to "guess" the icon >> > position >> > again. >> > + This should not be a problem if you keep the left panel always >> > visible. >> > However, Gnome Shell does not sacrifice any horizontal screen space and >> > still achieve the result I need. >> >> There is perhaps a design flaw in Unity that this feature is not more >> discoverable, but if you move your mouse to the top-left corner then >> the launcher appears on top so you don't have to guess. This makes the >> process almost identical to that of Gnome Shell: >> >> 1) Move mouse to top left >> 2) Pick application/window >> >> regardless of whether you're using Unity or shell. >> >> > Lastly, please do not use the age of Unity as an excuse. I am tired of >> > people saying that "Because Unity is just ... months old and Gnome Shell >> > has >> > been.... decades old so Gnome Shell is better". >> > Gnome Shell will always be older than Unity and Unity will always use >> > this >> > statement as an excuse for its weaknesses. Unity will hardly improve if >> > its >> > developers use age to say it is better or worse than Shell. >> > Weaknesses do not come from age. They come from the design philosophy of >> > the >> > developers. >> > If the philosophy is wrong from the start and left unchanged, Unity will >> > hardly gets any better regardless of its age. >> > >> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Shane Fagan >> > <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Phong Cao <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I am too have been for a long time a Ubuntu's fan. However, I am not >> >> > trying >> >> > to be negative but... I would say that Unity's design is way far >> >> > behind >> >> > GNOME Shell in Fedora 15. I recommend anybody in this email list try >> >> > out >> >> > Fedora 15 & GNOME Shell and learn from their simplicity. (Just my >> >> > thought, >> >> > no offense). After couple days get along with Fedora 15 & GNOME Shell >> >> > I >> >> > feel >> >> > that GNOME Shell is more newbie-friendly and productive than Unity. I >> >> > think >> >> > Ubuntu should reconsider going back to GNOME... >> >> >> >> Ok im not being negative or anything but both emails you put in on >> >> this thread haven't explained why you think shell is better. >> >> Also it has to be said that Unity (compiz) isn't around very long >> >> compared to Shell since it was made for 3 years and all and >> >> Unity compiz anyway is only 6 months of work ish. The reason why im >> >> mentioning that is there are still many many changes >> >> and iterations to come for Unity in which it will get better. What you >> >> can bank on though is Unity is faster and more stable. >> >> >> >> The cool things about Shell are the really nice looking animations on >> >> things there is a lot of nice finishes on everything and >> >> that stuff comes with time. In terms of Unity and why it is better is >> >> the simplicity you can do a lot more with the search in the >> >> dash than you can with Shell and the sky is the limit on lenses and >> >> all that nice stuff. >> >> >> >> --fagan >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana >> > Post to : [email protected] >> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana >> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
