On Wednesday 19 November 2003 23:42, Kip Hampton wrote:
> >> over HTTP and "web services" interfaces. Examples include
> >> Mozilla's XUL, MSFT's XAML, and Macromedia's Flex.
> >
> > Hmmmm. You cite the brand new and not available solutions from the
> > Two Most Evil Companies On The Web Now Netscape Is Dead, but
> > neither SVG nor XForms, which not only are standard and available
> > in real
> > implementations, but the former is actually far more deployed than
> > XUL+XAML+Flex united! 

> I didn't leave out XForms and SVG on purpose. In fact, Xforms seems a
> natural source grammar for phat clients. *But* as you well know,
> XForms is intentionally presentation-agnostic so it either needs to
> be transformed into something like XUL or HTML to render the widgets,
> or consumed by an Xforms-aware client that knows what to show on the
> screen based on the elements in the XForms grammar.

I'm now out in a field that I know nothing about, or about nothing... 
But then, this is /., isn't it...? ;-) 

But it seems to me that the natural conclusion from this discussion is 
that some efforts should be made to support XForms, and when that's 
done, transform XForms into XUL, with fallback to HTML if needed, and 
if at that point the world has not yet discovered that they're not 
using the best tool for the job (very likely), it could be transformed 
to XAML or something. 

But then, XForms may some day be supported by Mozilla directly, 
allthough, when you read how the bug has created a flamewar, 
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97806
it is not really clear if people really want that, even if somebody 
wrote the code. 

Cheers,

Kjetil
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